A thought I have about Ultimate Gohan...

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-03-2008

Despite Gohan's Ultimate power up, wouldn't it be possible for gohan to train his ultimate form like ss, and become more powerful...

Not only that but wouldn't it also be possible for gohan to transform into a more powerful ultimate state, like my name super ultimate?

Ultimate_Gohan · 03-03-2008

You mean like a Super Saiyan Ultimate form? Or like a "mastered" Ultimate form?
Yeah, that depends. Though, if he could, he would have done so against Super Buutenks. I mean the end of the world was at his hands, he wouldn't "hold back".
Anyway, if he could or not, it's just speculation. Though if he did, I'm not sure how he'd look like. Just like normal SS or with a white aura?

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gohan

You mean like a Super Saiyan Ultimate form? Or like a "mastered" Ultimate form?
Yeah, that depends. Though, if he could, he would have done so against Super Buutenks. I mean the end of the world was at his hands, he wouldn't "hold back".
Anyway, if he could or not, it's just speculation. Though if he did, I'm not sure how he'd look like. Just like normal SS or with a white aura?

No no no...Not super saiyan, that always get people thinking that when super is brought in with ultimate...Non super saiyan ultimate, yea it could be mastered....But I doubt Gohan could ascend to that level of power after shortly ascending to that new state of power...that kind of power would kill him.

My view about it would be, a blue aura with white electricity around his body...His muscles does budge a lil and his hair does take on the super saiyan 2 trait, but it's not ss based as in a non-combo of ultimate and ss.

The Green Dragon · 03-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gohan

You mean like a Super Saiyan Ultimate form? Or like a "mastered" Ultimate form?
Yeah, that depends. Though, if he could, he would have done so against Super Buutenks. I mean the end of the world was at his hands, he wouldn't "hold back".
Anyway, if he could or not, it's just speculation. Though if he did, I'm not sure how he'd look like. Just like normal SS or with a white aura?

To be fair, just because he didn't ascend for a further Ultimate state doesn't mean he wasn't potentially capable of reaching a further Ultimate state.

Like Vegeta could have gone Super Saiyan 2 against #17 and #18 since it was possible to reach the next stage as seen by Gohan later, but lacked the PL.

The thing about the Ultimate form is, it seems to be already mastered as Gohan can technically remain in it as his base form (as it sort of is his base form with his supressed PL released and raised dramatically).

Gohan might reach Ultimate form Grade 2 or Grade 3 if he wanted to and had a high enough PL, he couldn't do it against Super Buu because he needed a higher PL but with training he possibly could. Of course he'ld avoid the Grade 3 for natural reasons. Then again, if you choose to accept that Gohan had already mastered his Ultimate form because it was his base form then he is far beyond the 'grades' and far beyond buffing up.

Which means it's time to bring on the lightening bolts again, and have a Super Ultimate Gohan. Which doesn't have to be a Super Saiyan but an Ultimate Gohan with lightening bolts. Super Ultimate Gohan (User) above stated my opinion aswell that Ultimate Gohan's next stage would not be Super Saiyan Ultimate Gohan, but an Ultimate Gohan with lightening.

Ultimate_Gohan · 03-03-2008

Ok, I understand that but there is no evidence that the Ultimate form = Super Saiyan form. It might just be like that and thats all. I mean, what makes you think it is exactly like the SS thing? I doubt it even has grades or transformations. He can get stronger but I doubt "Mastered Ultimate" or "Ultimate grade 2" even exist.

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-03-2008

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Originally Posted by The Green Dragon

To be fair, just because he didn't ascend for a further Ultimate state doesn't mean he wasn't potentially capable of reaching a further Ultimate state.

Like Vegeta could have gone Super Saiyan 2 against #17 and #18 since it was possible to reach the next stage as seen by Gohan later, but lacked the PL.

The thing about the Ultimate form is, it seems to be already mastered as Gohan can technically remain in it as his base form (as it sort of is his base form with his supressed PL released and raised dramatically).

Gohan might reach Ultimate form Grade 2 or Grade 3 if he wanted to and had a high enough PL, he couldn't do it against Super Buu because he needed a higher PL but with training he possibly could. Of course he'ld avoid the Grade 3 for natural reasons. Then again, if you choose to accept that Gohan had already mastered his Ultimate form because it was his base form then he is far beyond the 'grades' and far beyond buffing up.

Which means it's time to bring on the lightening bolts again, and have a Super Ultimate Gohan. Which doesn't have to be a Super Saiyan but an Ultimate Gohan with lightening bolts. Super Ultimate Gohan (User) above stated my opinion aswell that Ultimate Gohan's next stage would not be Super Saiyan Ultimate Gohan, but an Ultimate Gohan with lightening.

You see when I use to be a fanboy...yes I said fanboy don't faint. lol

But I had made it that gohan became a super ultimate with super saiyan, but the ultimate power cancel's out the super saiyan all together...It was in an old fanfic I wrote, and I had Broli as an all powerful being stronger then an SS3...But don't worry I will not go back to that BS logic.

I feel there wouldn't be an grade 2 or 3, but I do feel a super would be in ther much like I stated above, which in my view...it's max would be exactly right under the power of a super saiyan 4. And if ultimate gohan wented to go ss4, it would not be super saiyan it would be more like an Oozaru human form.

Oh and btw, I feel the only way gohan can master the ultimate power is to reach it's absolute max.

The Green Dragon · 03-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gohan

Ok, I understand that but there is no evidence that the Ultimate form = Super Saiyan form. It might just be like that and thats all. I mean, what makes you think it is exactly like the SS thing? I doubt it even has grades or transformations. He can get stronger but I doubt "Mastered Ultimate" or "Ultimate grade 2" even exist.

It's not just Super Saiyan transformations that do it.
I'm disreguarding Cell for this next bit because he had Saiyan cells from Vegeta and Goku and his buffness and lightening was in fact Ussj and Ssj2 IMO.

Anyway,

Changelings or whatever Freeza and Cooler's race is really called base their transformations on buffing up.

Take Freeza, he started buffing up from his first form before buffing up totally to his second form, he did the same thing in his fourth form to achieve full power fourth form, and his brother Cooler did the same thing in his fourth form to achieve full power fourth form.

You could say that Nappa also buffed up to fight Goku, and Kid Buu buffed up after consuming 2 Kaioshins.

I'm trying to find an example of a non saiyan having lightening, i'm sure there is one.

Ultimate_Gohan · 03-03-2008

I not saying Gohan in Ultimate form cannot "buff up". I'm just saying there is no 100% correct evidence that the Ultimate form has grades and transformations. Thats a very different form that has nothing to do with Saiyans. I know Gohan was half-saiyan but what if Kaioshin managed to pull the Z sword? Now he's no saiyan, is he? So therefore, I think the ultimate form is very special and has no transformations or grades like Super saiyan forms have.

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-03-2008

Yea I look at super ultimate as a power up not a transformation, besides the only physical changes would be is the hair, and that happend to kakarrot when he uses the kaioken...so is super ultimate is a transformation then the kaioken would have to be considered one too.

Mystic_Gohan · 03-03-2008

He has already reached the peak of his strength, he cannot get any stronger. This is exhibited when Dende healed him and Buu's comments implied that his Zenkai was disabled.

However, he does in a way have different grades of his Mystic/Ultimate form, I suppose. When he first had his full potential released, and went to fight Buu, his strength was suppressed. Although, he was still incredibly strong, yet not enough to surpass Super Buu. I guess you could call it his suppressed state.

Now this...

Is when he powers up, to his maximum and full power state, which creates a big gap from Buu's PL. Significantly enough that he couldn't even land a punch on him. I guess it's more of a power up or upgrade from his normal Mystic form. But an entirely new transformation or state, based off the original, not very likely. There's just too much evidence opposing that, IMO.

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-03-2008

Well...is it stated that gohan can't increase the power in his ultimate form?

Ultimate_Gohan · 03-03-2008

I think in normal life he just suppresses his power, while when fighting he powers up to reach "full power". Though, thats just my opinion.

Mystic_Gohan · 03-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Super Ultimate Gohan

Well...is it stated that gohan can't increase the power in his ultimate form?

Pretty much, sorry for the lack of quality btw...

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-03-2008

Well there is a big difference between someone's current max power, and someone's full power that can't be surpassed...

Well back to normal, he was when he was healed, back to his normal non damaged state...that does not say he cannot before more powerful overtime or at all!

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Ultimate_Gohan Bleach Ranked (25) Vasto Lorde Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,962 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 100	Re: A thought I have about Ultimate Gohan... You mean like a Super Saiyan Ultimate form? Or like a "mastered" Ultimate form? Yeah, that depends. Though, if he could, he would have done so against Super Buutenks. I mean the end of the world was at his hands, he wouldn't "hold back". Anyway, if he could or not, it's just speculation. Though if he did, I'm not sure how he'd look like. Just like normal SS or with a white aura? __________________

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Ultimate_Gohan Bleach Ranked (25) Vasto Lorde Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,962 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 100	Re: A thought I have about Ultimate Gohan... Ok, I understand that but there is no evidence that the Ultimate form = Super Saiyan form. It might just be like that and thats all. I mean, what makes you think it is exactly like the SS thing? I doubt it even has grades or transformations. He can get stronger but I doubt "Mastered Ultimate" or "Ultimate grade 2" even exist. __________________

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Ultimate_Gohan Bleach Ranked (25) Vasto Lorde Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,962 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 100	Re: A thought I have about Ultimate Gohan... I not saying Gohan in Ultimate form cannot "buff up". I'm just saying there is no 100% correct evidence that the Ultimate form has grades and transformations. Thats a very different form that has nothing to do with Saiyans. I know Gohan was half-saiyan but what if Kaioshin managed to pull the Z sword? Now he's no saiyan, is he? So therefore, I think the ultimate form is very special and has no transformations or grades like Super saiyan forms have. __________________

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Super Ultimate Gohan (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,637 Rep Power: 5	Re: A thought I have about Ultimate Gohan... Yea I look at super ultimate as a power up not a transformation, besides the only physical changes would be is the hair, and that happend to kakarrot when he uses the kaioken...so is super ultimate is a transformation then the kaioken would have to be considered one too. __________________ *"Yes it has been too long, now I am back and better than ever!"*

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Mystic_Gohan (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,474 Rep Power: 3	Re: A thought I have about Ultimate Gohan... He has already reached the peak of his strength, he cannot get any stronger. This is exhibited when Dende healed him and Buu's comments implied that his Zenkai was disabled. However, he does in a way have different grades of his Mystic/Ultimate form, I suppose. When he first had his full potential released, and went to fight Buu, his strength was suppressed. Although, he was still incredibly strong, yet not enough to surpass Super Buu. I guess you could call it his suppressed state. Now this... Is when he powers up, to his maximum and full power state, which creates a big gap from Buu's PL. Significantly enough that he couldn't even land a punch on him. I guess it's more of a power up or upgrade from his normal Mystic form. But an entirely new transformation or state, based off the original, not very likely. There's just too much evidence opposing that, IMO.

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Super Ultimate Gohan (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,637 Rep Power: 5	Re: A thought I have about Ultimate Gohan... Well...is it stated that gohan can't increase the power in his ultimate form? __________________ *"Yes it has been too long, now I am back and better than ever!"*

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Ultimate_Gohan Bleach Ranked (25) Vasto Lorde Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,962 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 100	Re: A thought I have about Ultimate Gohan... I think in normal life he just suppresses his power, while when fighting he powers up to reach "full power". Though, thats just my opinion. __________________

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Super Ultimate Gohan (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,637 Rep Power: 5	Re: A thought I have about Ultimate Gohan... Well there is a big difference between someone's current max power, and someone's full power that can't be surpassed... Well back to normal, he was when he was healed, back to his normal non damaged state...that does not say he cannot before more powerful overtime or at all! __________________ *"Yes it has been too long, now I am back and better than ever!"*