Vegeto and Gogeta and Veku new SS forms - Page 2

The Green Dragon · 02-04-2008

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Originally Posted by The Electron Zone

Ooooooo i see....so the Mastered form is like when you can automatically turn it on or off like SSJ1 later on in the series.

Well that's the confusing thing. Technically Gohan and Goku were the only ones stated to have achieved Mastered Super Saiyan (or Super Saiyan Full Power). In which by staying in Ssj for lengthly periods of time means they were able to get used to the form faster and thus could harness more energy from it... ergo stronger.

However Chibi Trunks and Goten had Mastered Super Saiyan auras later, but this has been said to be Akira Toriyama's change in art style.

Generally speaking, a Mastered Super Saiyan can transform into a said Ssj form at free will rather than having to go through the whole 'supreme emotion' or 'focusing energy' display each time.

The Electron Zone · 02-04-2008

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Originally Posted by The Green Dragon

Well that's the confusing thing. Technically Gohan and Goku were the only ones stated to have achieved Mastered Super Saiyan (or Super Saiyan Full Power). In which by staying in Ssj for lengthly periods of time means they were able to get used to the form faster and thus could harness more energy from it... ergo stronger.

However Chibi Trunks and Goten had Mastered Super Saiyan auras later, but this has been said to be Akira Toriyama's change in art style.

Generally speaking, a Mastered Super Saiyan can transform into a said Ssj form at free will rather than having to go through the whole 'supreme emotion' or 'focusing energy' display each time.

So achieving a master super saiyan form in a SSJ3 or SSJ4 will be much harder because didn't those forms do a number on Goku's body.

Also, is Ultra SSJ the bulky form Trunks turned into

The Green Dragon · 02-04-2008

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Originally Posted by The Electron Zone

So achieving a master super saiyan form in a SSJ3 or SSJ4 will be much harder because didn't those forms do a number on Goku's body.

Also, is Ultra SSJ the bulky form Trunks turned into

I reckon if Goku (Being a pure blooded saiyan) builds up over time he could achieve Mastered Super Saiyan 2 or Mastered Super Saiyan 4, if he tries to stay in Ssj2 or Ssj4 for as long as possible during his training.

The reason I personally don't think he can achieve Mastered Super Saiyan 3 that easily is that Ssj3 is the form that put Goku under the most strain and consumed the most energy... making it almost impossible to hold it for too long if not in the Other World.

If considering Ssj4 as more of a Controlled Oozaru form than a Super Saiyan form (i.e. on a different scale to Ssj1, Ssj2 and Ssj3), Super Saiyan 3 is apparently a Super Saiyan's complete limit. Probably making Ascended Super Saiyan 3 impossible.

Ssj4 was easier for Goku to maintain than Ssj3 (every 2 or 3 transformations achieved seem to remove a heavy weakness the previous form suffered from: Ussj's decrease in speed due to high muscle mass increase, and Ssj3's inability to maintain the form for too long)

And yeah Ultra Super Saiyan (Ussj) is the form Trunks took to beat on Cell, but due to the muscle mass increase it made Cell faster. Ultra Super Saiyan is a fan term, the more accurate term is Super Saiyan 3rd Grade.

The Electron Zone · 02-04-2008

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Originally Posted by The Green Dragon

I reckon if Goku (Being a pure blooded saiyan) builds up over time he could achieve Mastered Super Saiyan 2 or Mastered Super Saiyan 4, if he tries to stay in Ssj2 or Ssj4 for as long as possible during his training.

The reason I personally don't think he can achieve Mastered Super Saiyan 3 that easily is that Ssj3 is the form that put Goku under the most strain and consumed the most energy... making it almost impossible to hold it for too long if not in the Other World.

If considering Ssj4 as more of a Controlled Oozaru form than a Super Saiyan form (i.e. on a different scale to Ssj1, Ssj2 and Ssj3), Super Saiyan 3 is apparently a Super Saiyan's complete limit. Probably making Ascended Super Saiyan 3 impossible.

Ssj4 was easier for Goku to maintain than Ssj3 (every 2 or 3 transformations achieved seem to remove a heavy weakness the previous form suffered from: Ussj's decrease in speed due to high muscle mass increase, and Ssj3's inability to maintain the form for too long)

And yeah Ultra Super Saiyan (Ussj) is the form Trunks took to beat on Cell, but due to the muscle mass increase it made Cell faster. Ultra Super Saiyan is a fan term, the more accurate term is Super Saiyan 3rd Grade.

Would USSJ be impossible in a SSJ3 state also?

Thx for the discussion also

The Green Dragon · 02-04-2008

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Originally Posted by The Electron Zone

Would USSJ be impossible in a SSJ3 state also?

Thx for the discussion also

I reckon so. If Ascended Super Saiyan 3 (Ssj3 Grade 2) is almost impossible then Ultra Super Saiyan 3 (Ssj3 Grade 3) must certainly be so too.

No problem! I enjoy it.

Ryat! · 02-04-2008

Ascended SSj3, if possible, would zap Goku's energy in a matter of minutes.
But, that'd be a sight to see.

The Electron Zone · 02-05-2008

So would USSJ3 be possible with Veku or Gogeto

Ryat! · 02-05-2008

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Originally Posted by The Electron Zone

So would USSJ3 be possible with Veku or Gogeto

Veku, I doubt he could transform SSj, simply because he isn't very powerful at all.

The Green Dragon · 02-05-2008

Yeah Veku, with his inability to focus his ki, would't even make Giji Super Saiyan... or even Kaioken, he's a failure Saiyan.

Gogeto wouldn't even need to go Super Saiyan 3, his Super Saiyan 1 form would be enough for anything.

The Electron Zone · 02-05-2008

oh so Veku is a messed up fusion dance.......oops

Ryat! · 02-05-2008

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Originally Posted by The Electron Zone

oh so Veku is a messed up fusion dance.......oops

Correct.
The slighty mistake when performing the Fusion Dance could have drastic consequences.

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