Akatoshs Servent

Yes I agree with Majuub666's ideas. Jusrt because they said it doesent mean it will actually happen nor come true. Besides I heard that if anything was higher than SSJ 3 or 4 that it could have the possiblity of destroying Earth. I forgot where I got that from I think someone told me

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Majin Vegeta

First of all. I like how you explained the whole Super Saiya-Jin 4 thing, but you forgot to mention, that, normally, there should also be full moon to go SSJ4 and not just controled SSJ form and a tail, and to be able to control Golden oozaru form. Toei broke that "rule".
As allready Super Saiya-Jin4 is non-canon I don't even want to think above higher leves. It's just redicilious, If we think like that, we can go on forever, for as long we know how to count that much... I think that already SJJ3 wasn't a "good" form, it was too "much" different then the two earlier froms, and it was a bit idealess as if really reminded of Radittsu, plus Bejiita never reached it, but he reached SSJ4 form... "No Comment"

And I think that Toei didn't just screwed Bejiita, but also a lot of other characters, like Son Goahn for example. "No Comment"
They really had to much freedom in makin the series, and some "stupid" ideas...

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SSGokuTim

SSJ4 isn't a Super Sayain stage? Do you have any official information to back up your claims? Every offical DBZ source says SSJ4 is a Super Saiyan stage. And I know AF doesn't exist except for a non-cannon fan manga, but I also posted a GT video, and even though GT is non-cannon, Akira designed the SSJ4 himself. It IS a super saiyan level, so I'm calling BS on this 'compressed Oozaru form' stuff you're talking about. SSJ4 is more powerful than golden oozaru, so it's not compressed. Quite the opposite.

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Majin Vegeta

Super Saiya-Jin 4 is a Saiyan stage, but it's still non-canon. Golden Oozaru is a similar form to Oozaru, it's just has golden fur and it's way stronger then normal Oozaru. I don't think you complety understood what Majinubb was trying to say...

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Majuub

It is a stage, I mean that we can't say 4 since it's not directly a stage after the SSJ3. First there is base, from base you have two form, Oozaru and SSJ, when you are Oozaru you have two other choices, golden Oozaru or SSJ4, SSJ4 is somwhat an hybrid of SSJ and Oozaru, it's just compressed into a smaller body, it isn't a stage right next to the SSJ3. We saw the power of the SSJ4, it's not far stronger than the SSJ3 it's more powerful and has no Ki drain.
Why SSJ4 would be stronger than the golden Oozaru while the Oozaru is clearly far stronger than the base form. The golden Oozaru has far more raw power but lacks intelligence that's why the SSJ4 is superior.
In order to reach SSJ2, you must have mastered SSJ, in order to reach SSJ3 you must have mastered SSJ2, but if you want to reach SSJ4, you just need the mastery of the SSJ, a tail, the moon and control your golden Oozaru form. That's why I said it's not really an SSJ stage, more like an hybrid of the SSJ and the Oozaru but controlled.

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SSGokuTim

Alright now I understand what you were trying to say.

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Broly

It doesn't say you need to master SSj in order to attain SSj4. You just need full Saiyajin blood, a tail, a moon, SSj, Oozaru, and finally realization of yourself. That's really all that's stated.

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Majuub

If you didn't master your SSJ, how in the world are you going to control an SSJ Oozaru?

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Darkprince410

Simply gain control of the Oozaru form's animal instinct, as it is the only aspect of the Ssj Oozaru that requires control exerted on it in order to trigger the compression. In all technicalities, if Gokuu had his tail, enough bruit waves to trigger a transformation, and a way of bringing his consciousness back after he transformed, he could have transformed into an "Ssj4" during his fight with Furiiza.

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edie27

so there are two ways to become stronger. so if freeza never attack vegeta world, then everyone will still have tails, and no one will learn about ssj2 or ssj3. they would have just went Oozarus then Golden Oozarus, and the ssj4.
yeah i think he could of went ssj4 against freeza(if he had his tail), but why go the extra mile when Golden Oozarus is more than enough to destroy freeza and namek itself.

Majuub

You really think he was able to contain the raw power of the SSJ4 without going breserk, according to me, if you can't control completely the SSJ form, how are you going to control a form 10x more powerful than it.

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