Super Saiya-jin 4 Burori - Page 3

Supreme Kai · 03-28-2007

hi again every one firt of all to ReAnime i never was on the Neoseeker forums but if you tell me the site i might will be
i think ssj2 agains lssj1 will be a good match
but DBZ movie 8: if brolly would fight agains a ssj2 now he will loos\
DBZ movie 10: if he will fight now he will win
this is becaus when he was defeated his power grows like every saiya-jin the closer he gets to dead the stronger ge gets

**Broly** · 03-28-2007

Yes, he did recieve a Zenkai [powerup due to a 'brush with death'].
And to answer a previous question: Was Gohan SSj2 when he fought Broly? He had the hair of an SSj2, but he did not have the sparks or electricity. So as much as I want to believe that he was, he can't really be counted as one because he outputs no electricity. Thus... he can only be called MSSj.

SSJ4Jambi · 08-13-2007

Allow me.

Movie 10: Gohan SSJ2 + Goten SSJ + Trunks SSJ < Brolly

Recorded Power Levels From Majin Saga World Tournament:

Adult Super Gohan 2 - 200,000,000
Super Goten - 70,000,000
Super Trunks - 80,000,000

If we assume Movie 10 is before Majin World Tournament, then we need to refer to closest recorded power-levels BEFORE the trounament.

Super Goten - 67,000,000

Teen Super Gohan 2 - 200,000,000 (Injured)

Therefore, lets guesstamate Trunks at 77,000,000 and Adult Super Gohan 2 at 200,000.000 just to be fair.

This would mean Brolly's LSS powerlevel is somewhere around 324,000,000 (He was MORE POWERFUL than all 3, but we all know thats not how powerlevels work, so we won't add any extra.) Besides, 324,000,000 sounds about right.

Now we have to guess what increase % is added when a Sayain transformes from SSJ to SSJ2.

Example:

Let's take the prime example of Gohan during the Cell Games.

Teen Full Power Super Gohan - 150,000,000
Teen Super Gohan 2 - 300,000,000

So basically its a 100% increase, just double LSS Brolly's powerlevel of 324,000,000. 648,000,000 is our number for Brolly LSSJ2

Now we need a prime example of a SSJ2 to SSJ3 tranformation. Goku is the only one able to help us out there.

From Majin Saga:

Super Goku 2 - 360,000,000

Super Goku 3 - 1,080,000,000
Wow, alright. So that's 3x the powerlevel of a SSJ2. Brolly's LSSJ3 Power Level would be....1,944,000,000ish

Now we need to take a look at an SSJ3 to 4 transformation.

This is easier said than done. Because Goku is the only character with SSJ 3, he is our only prime example. The thing is, he was in his Kid form when he transformed into a SSJ 4. So we will have to use that math for the % to be accurate.

Bebi Saga.

Super Kid Goku 3 - 450,000,000

Super Son Goku 4 - 2,200,000,000

Its roughly 5x the powerlevel of the SSJ 3 state. Sheesh...K. So thats 1,944,000,000 x 5. The grand total is 9,720,000,000

A guesstamation at Brolly's powerlevel at SSJ4 would be 9,720,000,000.

Super Gogeta 4 - 46,000,000,000

Vegito - 26,000,000,000

Heh. The power of fusion wins. Even IF we gave Brolly a little boost for him to be stronger than Gohan SSJ2, SSJ Trunks, and SSJ Goten, it wouldn't be anywhere near enough.

But...

Omega Shenron - 9,300,000,000

Super Son Goku 4 - 4,100,000,000 (Surpassed Limits)

Super Seventeen - 3,000,000,000 (Powered Up)

Super Ape Bebi Vegeta - 2,400,000,000

Super Son Goku 4 - 2,500,000,000 (Powered Up)

Super Vegeta 4 - 2,300,000,000

Majin Buu - 1,000,000,000

Kid Buu - 720,000,000

Bebi Vegeta 2 - 700,000,000

Majuub - 650,000,000

Fun facts I got with math...

Super Gogeta 3 - 9,200,000,000

Super Gogeta 2 - 3,067,000,000

Super Gogeta - 1,533,500,000

Super Vegeta 3 - 840,000,000

Janemba - Somewhere below 1,533,500,000. Remeber, this movie occurs during the middle of the Buu Saga, so Janemba dosen't include Buu's power. I can't guess exactly, it would be greater than Goku's SSJ3 1,080,000,000 + Vegeta's SSJ2 280,000,000 = 1,360,000,000. So probably around 1,400,000,000.

So basically an LSSJ4 Brolly would be unmatched, except for SSJ 4 Gogeta, or Vegito. Fusion is so unfair > . <

Now despite the fact I based a lot of my info off of MFG powerlevels list, I must say I disagree tons of power-levels MFG has posted for the Majin Saga. Here are the ones I believe to be EXTERMELY inaccurate. Reasons: Mystic Gohans power is not higher than a SSJ4. Neither is Gotenks (As Goku himself says its not.). Kid Buu isn't weaker than Majin Buu (Fat) due to the fact that Majin Buu was weaker than his origianl form by absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai. The Grand Supreme Kai mad Majin Buu weaker because of all the good he possed in his soul. This is also the reason why Majin Buu turned good.

All stems of Gotenks - 400,000,000

Mystic Gohan - 5,200,000,000

All stems of Super Buu - 4,000,000,000

Majin Buu - 1,000,000,000 and 850,000,000 (600,000,000 seems accurate to me.)

Super Goku 3 - 720,000,000 (Goku wasn't weaked when he truned SSJ3 in the final battle, atleast not by 300,000,000. Infact, his power-level at 1,080,000,000 should have gone up, due to all the combat experience he had recieved form the point of his intial transformation into SSJ3.)

Kid Buu - 720,000,000

MY estimation:

The Hatching

Majin Buu - 800,000,000

Gotenks - 280,000,000

Majin Buu - 900,000,000

Super Gotenks - 560,000,000

Fusion
Evil Buu - 800,000,000
Mister Buu - 500,000,000

Super Buu - 1,720,000,000

Gotenks - 300,000,000

Super Gotenks - 600,000,000

Super Gotenks 3 - 1,800,000,000

Mystic Gohan - 1,900,000,000

Super Buu Gotenks - 2,200,000,000
Super Buu Piccolo - 1,800,000,000
Super Buu Gohan - 2,500,000,000

Evil Kid Buu

Super Buu - 1,720,000,000
Buff Buu - 2,000,000,000

Kid Buu - 1,100,000,000

Super Goku 3 - 1,000,000,000

Mister Buu - 500,000,000

**Broly** · 08-13-2007

All those powerlevels are wrong.

mastertao242 · 08-31-2007

Yeah, i guess he could be extremely powerful in Super Saiya-jin 4...

I don't know if he would be more powerful than SSJ 4 Gogeta though...

brolyisthebest · 10-17-2007

i think that ss3 broly can crush ss5 gogeta because broly has the power to destroy any livng thing ,so if we are talking about ss5 broly then even ss5 gogeta woudnt be a match if there is a ss5 gogeta. so i think the only way to destroy ss4 broly is if ss4 gogeta and ss4 gotenks will fuse together which is a cool thing to watch but broly will kill ss4 gogta/gotenks fused together in the hard way but he will destroy any super sayian that stands in his way and dont let me get started about what would happen if broly had found someone to fuse with because then fuised broly and some other guy will detroy the show because there is no such power to deafet him and his crazy thoughts of destruction.

burningvegeta · 10-17-2007

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Originally Posted by Broly

All those powerlevels are wrong.

Too true you should add about 6 more 0's to the Buu sagas saga and many others before

edie27 · 10-17-2007

i think broly was just gifted when he was born, like a genious or something. when he goes legendary super sayian, i think its the same as going super sayian but because he is legendary and only come one in 10000 some years, he has extra power and goes to his pure pontetial a super sayian can go. in other words, he is a perfect sayian. so if would transform it would go normally like any other sayian,ssj1,ssj2, ssj3 put will accomplish all perfectly as a perfect formed(fuul pontential of power).

FierceGamer · 10-18-2007

SS4 Broly is absolutely nothing to SS4 Gogeta. He's probably around the power levels of SS4 Goku and Vegeta.

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Originally Posted by truelssbroly

yea, they should rewirte the whole "legendary super saiyan" thing and make it in gt where LSS broly has equal power vs. SS4 gogeta or vegeto.

LSS form isnt a fan fiction form, cause if it is, then anybody can achive it, cause broly was really became a super saiyan when he was a baby. and vegeta said "a super saiyan is born once every 1,000 years. (i think)" and he also said that "he is the saiyan legend" i've read wikipidea and it says that

<h4>Legendary Super Saiyan</h4>
As the maniacal Legendary Super Saiyan, Broly's size, muscle mass, strength, and speed are extraordinarily far beyond that any Super Saiyan to the point of being ridiculous. Additionally, his irises and pupils in his eyes seemingly disappear, and unlike other Super Saiyan forms that decrease energy due to effects such as fatigue, this form gradually increases his energy as a battle continues, adding to the awesomeness of his strength. His seeming invincibility stems from his power, not his muscles.

also, where did you come up with the idea saying "its just a 3rd grade level, well ill post another thing from the same website.

Super Saiyan 3rd Grade/Ultra Super Saiyan

More commonly known as Ultra Super Saiyan. At this stage a Saiyan's hair gets very spiky and seems to increase in size like the muscles themselves, and shoots out in all directions. Their aura also gets more wild and spreads all over the place in the form of surges of electricity, showing how close the Saiyan is to a Super Saiyan 2. Their muscle mass and size dramatically increases along with equal amounts of strength, but they take a big hit in their speed. Also, this form consumes vast amounts of energy. The raw power is close to Super Saiyan 2, but since this form isn't perfect, the speed gets worse than it was originally as normal Super Saiyan. Goku demonstrated this to Gohan, during the Cell Saga inside the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. However, Trunks failed to notice this flaw, and was defeated by Perfect Cell when he used it against him. Perfect Cell also demonstrated that he could mimic the same level; however, he explained that he lost his speed advantage and retained his 'perfect' form. Trunks believes that Vegeta also noticed this disadvantage during his training and was smart enough to never bother with it. This form is relatively useless on any opponent that calls for this much strength, for they will probably be faster.

there you go.

That website is wrong. The SS 3rd Grade form is actually nowhere near SS2 in power or speed. Just look at the difference between the fight Trunks had with Cell and the fight Gohan had with Cell. Also, the speed is not worse than it is as a normal Super Saiyan. SS 2nd and 3rd Grade both have significant increases in speed and strength from the regular SS form. The problem is that it just wasn't strong enough or fast enough to fight Cell.

edie27 · 10-18-2007

okay, here is another idea, seeing that gogeta ssj4 is strong enough, having fuse with goku and vegeta, what if brolly goes to ssj4, why not clone him once more, seeing that it looked easy to do in the movie, then fuse both of the brollys' with the earings and make a super ssj4 brolly.
would that be enough to beat gogeta ssj4?

FierceGamer · 10-18-2007

^^I'm not really sure who would win, but that might be one of the greatest fights in all of Dragonball/Z/GT.

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Originally Posted by brolyisthebest

i think that ss3 broly can crush ss5 gogeta because broly has the power to destroy any livng thing

Not Gogeta. You're wrong. If you can't see that, then you need to watch the movies more carefully. Even base Gogeta could wreck Broly. SS4 Broly has absolutely NO chance against SS4 Gogeta. There is NO hope against Gogeta.

**Broly** · 10-18-2007

It's possible that his Legendary powers will boost his PL as an SSj4...

03-28-2007	#31 (permalink)
Supreme Kai (4) Turtle School Disciple Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 0	Re: Super Saiya-jin 4 Burori hi again every one firt of all to ReAnime i never was on the Neoseeker forums but if you tell me the site i might will be i think ssj2 agains lssj1 will be a good match but DBZ movie 8: if brolly would fight agains a ssj2 now he will loos\ DBZ movie 10: if he will fight now he will win this is becaus when he was defeated his power grows like every saiya-jin the closer he gets to dead the stronger ge gets

03-28-2007	#32 (permalink)
Broly God of Death Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Walktown Posts: 7,316 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 18	Re: Super Saiya-jin 4 Burori Yes, he did recieve a Zenkai [powerup due to a 'brush with death']. And to answer a previous question: Was Gohan SSj2 when he fought Broly? He had the hair of an SSj2, but he did not have the sparks or electricity. So as much as I want to believe that he was, he can't really be counted as one because he outputs no electricity. Thus... he can only be called MSSj. __________________ $E:\Avatars\fhrytuyiuio.JPG$

08-13-2007	#33 (permalink)
SSJ4Jambi (1) Earthling Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Re: Super Saiya-jin 4 Burori Allow me. Movie 10: Gohan SSJ2 + Goten SSJ + Trunks SSJ < Brolly Recorded Power Levels From Majin Saga World Tournament: Adult Super Gohan 2 - 200,000,000 Super Goten - 70,000,000 Super Trunks - 80,000,000 If we assume Movie 10 is before Majin World Tournament, then we need to refer to closest recorded power-levels BEFORE the trounament. Super Goten - 67,000,000 Teen Super Gohan 2 - 200,000,000 (Injured) Therefore, lets guesstamate Trunks at 77,000,000 and Adult Super Gohan 2 at 200,000.000 just to be fair. This would mean Brolly's LSS powerlevel is somewhere around 324,000,000 (He was MORE POWERFUL than all 3, but we all know thats not how powerlevels work, so we won't add any extra.) Besides, 324,000,000 sounds about right. Now we have to guess what increase % is added when a Sayain transformes from SSJ to SSJ2. Example: Let's take the prime example of Gohan during the Cell Games. Teen Full Power Super Gohan - 150,000,000 Teen Super Gohan 2 - 300,000,000 So basically its a 100% increase, just double LSS Brolly's powerlevel of 324,000,000. 648,000,000 is our number for Brolly LSSJ2 Now we need a prime example of a SSJ2 to SSJ3 tranformation. Goku is the only one able to help us out there. From Majin Saga: Super Goku 2 - 360,000,000 Super Goku 3 - 1,080,000,000 Wow, alright. So that's 3x the powerlevel of a SSJ2. Brolly's LSSJ3 Power Level would be....1,944,000,000ish Now we need to take a look at an SSJ3 to 4 transformation. This is easier said than done. Because Goku is the only character with SSJ 3, he is our only prime example. The thing is, he was in his Kid form when he transformed into a SSJ 4. So we will have to use that math for the % to be accurate. Bebi Saga. Super Kid Goku 3 - 450,000,000 Super Son Goku 4 - 2,200,000,000 Its roughly 5x the powerlevel of the SSJ 3 state. Sheesh...K. So thats 1,944,000,000 x 5. The grand total is 9,720,000,000 A guesstamation at Brolly's powerlevel at SSJ4 would be 9,720,000,000. Super Gogeta 4 - 46,000,000,000 Vegito - 26,000,000,000 Heh. The power of fusion wins. Even IF we gave Brolly a little boost for him to be stronger than Gohan SSJ2, SSJ Trunks, and SSJ Goten, it wouldn't be anywhere near enough. But... Omega Shenron - 9,300,000,000 Super Son Goku 4 - 4,100,000,000 (Surpassed Limits) Super Seventeen - 3,000,000,000 (Powered Up) Super Ape Bebi Vegeta - 2,400,000,000 Super Son Goku 4 - 2,500,000,000 (Powered Up) Super Vegeta 4 - 2,300,000,000 Majin Buu - 1,000,000,000 Kid Buu - 720,000,000 Bebi Vegeta 2 - 700,000,000 Majuub - 650,000,000 Fun facts I got with math... Super Gogeta 3 - 9,200,000,000 Super Gogeta 2 - 3,067,000,000 Super Gogeta - 1,533,500,000 Super Vegeta 3 - 840,000,000 Janemba - Somewhere below 1,533,500,000. Remeber, this movie occurs during the middle of the Buu Saga, so Janemba dosen't include Buu's power. I can't guess exactly, it would be greater than Goku's SSJ3 1,080,000,000 + Vegeta's SSJ2 280,000,000 = 1,360,000,000. So probably around 1,400,000,000. So basically an LSSJ4 Brolly would be unmatched, except for SSJ 4 Gogeta, or Vegito. Fusion is so unfair > . < Now despite the fact I based a lot of my info off of MFG powerlevels list, I must say I disagree tons of power-levels MFG has posted for the Majin Saga. Here are the ones I believe to be EXTERMELY inaccurate. Reasons: Mystic Gohans power is not higher than a SSJ4. Neither is Gotenks (As Goku himself says its not.). Kid Buu isn't weaker than Majin Buu (Fat) due to the fact that Majin Buu was weaker than his origianl form by absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai. The Grand Supreme Kai mad Majin Buu weaker because of all the good he possed in his soul. This is also the reason why Majin Buu turned good. All stems of Gotenks - 400,000,000 Mystic Gohan - 5,200,000,000 All stems of Super Buu - 4,000,000,000 Majin Buu - 1,000,000,000 and 850,000,000 (600,000,000 seems accurate to me.) Super Goku 3 - 720,000,000 (Goku wasn't weaked when he truned SSJ3 in the final battle, atleast not by 300,000,000. Infact, his power-level at 1,080,000,000 should have gone up, due to all the combat experience he had recieved form the point of his intial transformation into SSJ3.) Kid Buu - 720,000,000 MY estimation: The Hatching Majin Buu - 800,000,000 Gotenks - 280,000,000 Majin Buu - 900,000,000 Super Gotenks - 560,000,000 Fusion Evil Buu - 800,000,000 Mister Buu - 500,000,000 Super Buu - 1,720,000,000 Gotenks - 300,000,000 Super Gotenks - 600,000,000 Super Gotenks 3 - 1,800,000,000 Mystic Gohan - 1,900,000,000 Super Buu Gotenks - 2,200,000,000 Super Buu Piccolo - 1,800,000,000 Super Buu Gohan - 2,500,000,000 Evil Kid Buu Super Buu - 1,720,000,000 Buff Buu - 2,000,000,000 Kid Buu - 1,100,000,000 Super Goku 3 - 1,000,000,000 Mister Buu - 500,000,000

08-13-2007	#34 (permalink)
Broly God of Death Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Walktown Posts: 7,316 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 18	Re: Super Saiya-jin 4 Burori All those powerlevels are wrong. __________________ $E:\Avatars\fhrytuyiuio.JPG$

08-31-2007	#35 (permalink)
mastertao242 (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 102 Rep Power: 2	Re: Super Saiya-jin 4 Burori Yeah, i guess he could be extremely powerful in Super Saiya-jin 4... I don't know if he would be more powerful than SSJ 4 Gogeta though...

10-17-2007	#36 (permalink)
brolyisthebest (1) Earthling Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Re: Super Saiya-jin 4 Burori i think that ss3 broly can crush ss5 gogeta because broly has the power to destroy any livng thing ,so if we are talking about ss5 broly then even ss5 gogeta woudnt be a match if there is a ss5 gogeta. so i think the only way to destroy ss4 broly is if ss4 gogeta and ss4 gotenks will fuse together which is a cool thing to watch but broly will kill ss4 gogta/gotenks fused together in the hard way but he will destroy any super sayian that stands in his way and dont let me get started about what would happen if broly had found someone to fuse with because then fuised broly and some other guy will detroy the show because there is no such power to deafet him and his crazy thoughts of destruction.

10-17-2007	#38 (permalink)
edie27 (1) Earthling Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Re: Super Saiya-jin 4 Burori i think broly was just gifted when he was born, like a genious or something. when he goes legendary super sayian, i think its the same as going super sayian but because he is legendary and only come one in 10000 some years, he has extra power and goes to his pure pontetial a super sayian can go. in other words, he is a perfect sayian. so if would transform it would go normally like any other sayian,ssj1,ssj2, ssj3 put will accomplish all perfectly as a perfect formed(fuul pontential of power).

10-18-2007	#40 (permalink)
edie27 (1) Earthling Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Re: Super Saiya-jin 4 Burori okay, here is another idea, seeing that gogeta ssj4 is strong enough, having fuse with goku and vegeta, what if brolly goes to ssj4, why not clone him once more, seeing that it looked easy to do in the movie, then fuse both of the brollys' with the earings and make a super ssj4 brolly. would that be enough to beat gogeta ssj4?

10-18-2007	#42 (permalink)
Broly God of Death Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Walktown Posts: 7,316 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 18	Re: Super Saiya-jin 4 Burori It's possible that his Legendary powers will boost his PL as an SSj4... __________________ $E:\Avatars\fhrytuyiuio.JPG$