FierceGamer

No. A fusion of two half saiyans makes a half saiyan, so clearly half saiyans can achieve SS3. Gohan could definitely achieve SS4. As a kid, he had much more control over the Great Ape form than Goku did and Goku was able to control it long enough to get to SS4. Half saiyans can pretty much do any thing full saiyans can, they just do it when they're like 8 years old.

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Majuub

Correct
I disagree with you there, we can assume that SSJ4 can only be achieved by pure blooded saiyans, therefore Gohan probabily can't reach SSJ4. Kid Gokuu in DB had no control over his Oozaru form at all, when Gohan was a Kid he had a little more control but we almost couldn't see the difference. There is no way Gohan could reach SSJ4, in order to control the golden Oozaru you need supreme training and a strong mind, Gohan lacks both.

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FierceGamer

But why can we assume that SS4 is for pure blooded saiyans? None of the other forms have that restriction. It seems, in fact, that half saiyans do it more easily than pure saiyans. Also we can definitely see a difference between Goku's control as a kid and Gohan's. Didn't Goku kill Grandpa Gohan as an oozaru? In the Saiyan Saga, Gohan stopped short of killing Goku because he had more control. With superior oozaroo control and mastery of the Super Saiyan transformation, it seems entirely possible for Gohan to ascend.

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Majuub

When Bebi Vegeta was an Oozaru, he couldn't control the form because the parasite was infecting him, therefore making his herigate unpure, that's why he didn't transform into SSJ4. It would probabily be the same for Gohan, his human blood would prevent him from controlling the SSJ4.
Gohan had much much more training than Goku when he was a kid, they're both inferior class saiyans so they probabily can't control their Oozaru form at all. The only reason Goku did control his golden Oozaru form was because he remembered Pan even when transformed. If we go by GT's logic: Since Goku's grandfather was killed by Goku it means that Goku hadn't control at all, but if Goku had enough to control a golden Oozaru form just because of Pan, then we can assume that the only thing you need to actually control your Oozaru form is training. Since Vegeta always knew how to control his Oozaru form, Bebi prevented him going SSJ4 because he was unpure, so we can assume that the only things needed in order to achieve SSJ4 are: Pure saiyan blood, a tail, mastery of the SSJ form, and minimal control of the Oozaru.

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Akatoshs Servent

Goku didnt need the blutz wave to be come Super Saiyan 4 only Vegeta did it. Besides wasent it stated that you needed a very strong body or someting to wishtstand the transformaton to Super Saiyan 4?

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SSGokuTim

They must be a full-blooded Saiyan to reach SSJ4. So that DBAF fan manga is uninformed.

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FierceGamer

It's also possible that Baby Vegeta didn't ascend because a prerequisite is control of the form and clearly Vegeta wasn't in control. Baby was. I don't think Baby infected Vegeta's blood or changed the type or anything strange like that. I think he just controlled his mind and body.

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Majuub

He clearly modified Vegeta's genetic code since Vegeta was completely different. Even if he controlled his mind and body, it was still Vegeta, he was using Vegeta as a power source and host, everything Vegeta can do, Bebi can do it too, Vegeta had a perfect control of his Oozaru form, Bebi had control while Goku had no control at all. Goku was able to reach SSJ4 by taming his golden Oozaru form, even if Vegeta loosed some control of his Oozaru form while infected by Bebi, he still could have control this form if Goku was able to. Again, this is a matter of interpretation, there is too little information about the SSJ4 that it's rather pointless to argue over it.

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FierceGamer

Agreed, but I will say this. I don't know why you would assume that Baby in Vegeta's body can do everything Vegeta can. Ginyu in Goku's body couldn't hurt a fly. I doubt he could have transformed into a Super Saiyan, even if Goku already knew how. Why should Baby be able to achieve SS4 in Vegeta's body?

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Majuub

1- Ginyu wasn't a parasite, so it's not the same thing.
2- Ginyu and Bebi aren't the same sepcie, so they don't have the same powers.
3- Ginyu only exchanged his body with Goku's while Bebi took over Vegeta's mind and body.
4- Ginyu wasn't able to control Goku's power while Bebi was able to control the Oozaru as well as Vegeta. So we can assume that Bebi's possesion abilites are much greater than Ginyu's.
Honestly, the way Vegeta's appearance completely modfied after Bebi took him over, don't you think it was strange? Goku's body wasn't modified a bit when Ginyu took control of his body. It was clear that Vegeta's genetic code was modified because he was completely different and far stronger.

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