Darkprince410

If memory serves, Bejiita stated that only full blooded saiya-jins were able to reach that transformed state, thereby preventing half-breeds from doing so.

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HerrGeiger

Ah, I see I see. I'm not done watching all of GT...which I find kind of hard to watch, but I'm almost there. Just doing the Super 17 saga.

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SaiyajinPerfection

I thought it was physically impossible for a hybrid to achieve Super Saiyan 4.

That's why Bebi-Vegeta couldn't achieve it even when he was in full control of the Golden Oozaru while battling Goku as a Super Saiyan 4. Bebi was not saiyan, making Vegeta's heritage impure.

Perhaps there could be a Super Saiyan 4 for hybrids, just not the same form as pure Saiyans

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Deep thought

I generally don't take Vegeta's word as law, considering that he has made many mistakes in the past. As for Super Sayajin 4, I find it incredibly odd how Goku can just magically control Golden Onzzaru, when he he could never control reagular Onzzaru to start with, especally considering that a "golden" variatian is probraly more bestial then the "regular" version. To add, it was Gohan's "diluted" blood that made him control his Onzzaru self more than Goku.

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Ghost Outlaw

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Definetly agree with you there, I think that Vegeta saying that is either 1) Vegeta just trying to find a way to make himself look stronger than most of the other saiyans or 2) Toei making more stuff up that makes zero sense.

I think that Halfies should be able to reach SSJ3 & 4, I mean why not? What is different about 3 & 4? If they can get to SSJ and SSJ2, then I don't understand why they suddenly can't reach a higher level.

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DaBlackGoku13

Going SSJ3, I see no problem. Had Gohan actually been training all that time instead of studying, he might have gotten close to it.

SSJ4 should be possible for a halfie. All they'd need is a tail and a high powerlevel. Soon as they learned to control it, boom SSJ4.

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SaiyajinPerfection

But what about the heritage issue? I don't think anyone is considering this.

Apparently people have forgotten that Bebi Vegeta was in full control of the his Golden Oozaru, and yet, did not ascend. And it's theorized by Bulma (in the Japanese GT) that only pure Saiyans are able to become Super Saiyan 4, explaining why Vegeta couldn't ascend with Bebi in his body. Bebi himself wasn't Saiyan, which as a result made Vegeta's heritage impure. But even though Bebi Vegeta couldn't reach Super Saiyan 4, he however was able to surpass Goku who was at Super Saiyan 4.

If Bebi Vegeta couldn't do it because of the impure heritage, why should half Saiyans be able to?

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Ghost Outlaw

I think maybe one idea is that Bebi forced control over Vegeta's body. I'm sure that is completly different than a saiyan being half human and half saiyan...I mean think about it? 1) Bebi forced himself into Veget's body, that obviously changed him almost entirely, he was barely even Vegeta anymore. 2) I'm sure that whole time Vegeta was doing something from inside trying to fight Bebi back out, I mean c'mon he is the most proud saiyan ever 3) Bebi taking over Vegeta's body took away most of the saiyan part of him.

That is all extremely different than just being born with half saiyan blood half human blood. I think even with half saiyan blood Gohan could still be consider a much more pure saiyan than Bebi Vegeta.

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I basically have to agree with Ghost Outlaw's statement.* To add, if you can achieve an Onzaru , you should achieve Golden Onzarru, and Gohan achieved Onzzaru. As for the Bebi thing, Bebi could've been half-savage when he was in his ape form,or it could be a huge plothole, or maybe Bebi prefered the Golden Onzzaru to the Super Sayajin 4 state (Golde Onzzau is, after all, stronger than Super Sayajin 4) and he willed him self to not transform. The Onzzaru state (and tails) are plotholes anyway, even in the manga.

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Tinithor

I think your all forgetting that in the saiyan saga of DBZ when vegeta turned into oozaru he apparently had control and he didnt turn into SSJ4. It seems that GT just has massive plotholes.

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Majuub

Yeah but he wasn't golden Oozaru, you must be a golden Oozaru and control it in order to be SSJ4 not only that but you gotta be a pure blooded saiyan, so gohan can't go SSJ4. It would be useless for him to have SSJ3 since he already have mystic Gohan which seems to add more power than a SSJ3 and drain less energy.

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Tinithor

In GT when vegeta becomes a SSJ4 he is out of control even as a normal oozaru and then turns golden for only a moment after taking control before changing into SSJ4. (Atleast thats how i remember it. Its been a long time correct me if im wrong)

Maybe GT was just Fail on the logic department?

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burningvegeta

two half (Trunks and Goten) sayians made a full Sayian (their human genes got kicked ot the window), thus Gotenks becoming SSJ3 plus they also used there sheer will power to transform after seeing Goku do it, Will Power goes along way

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mastertao242

Yeah, that one picture of SSJ 4 gohan with the glasses was wierd.