Itachi vs Anything - Page 6

**Nikushimi** · 01-01-2008

It's "absolute balanced power".

Meaning, Ichigo could fucking zenkai out his asshole and go Super Saiyan Bankai 5, but nobody's gonna give two shits because his speed and strength will still be completely even with Itachi.

When I said that anything could be used if it related to physical ability or enhancing it...I meant besides increasing strength or speed, which remain static. I probably should've worded it better, but oh well. Now you know.

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Originally Posted by Shirogetsu

I'd rather not follow Nikushimi's roles on the versus, since all he wants is to hear the victor to come out as Itachi. ;/

Sorry, mayn, but we all know it's the inevitable truth. </3

Gee, was one of your New Year's Resolutions to become a more perceptive individual?

Because if so, then congratu-fucking-lations! Mission Accomplished, buddy! :D

**Majuub** · 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Nikushimi

Actually, I was expecting someone to bring that up at some point. Just not so soon.

Although...I did say "absolute balanced power", i.e., Strength and Speed equal. I also said "anything that relates to physical ability or the enhancement thereof", not "and any techniques/transformations that would increase strength and/or speed above the bar". Sharingan enhances Itachi's perception, which allows him to fight better, but his physical power and speed remain unchanged. ;)

Edition: Damn, I didn't see your last post.

Buu could beat Itachi, it's not like hitting him damages a lot, he always regenerate and he can uses his body to do some unpredictable tricks.

**Nikushimi** · 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Edition: Damn, I didn't see your last post.

Buu could beat Itachi, it's not like hitting him damages a lot, he always regenerate and he can uses his body to do some unpredictable tricks.

Ah, that's true.

Well, I'm tired as hell. Gonna hit the sack and recharge my pro-Itachi batteries with some good-ol'-fashioned shut-eye. Right now, I can't think of anything, so I'll work on cheating my way through that match-up tomorrow.

*looks at clock*

Errr... I mean "later today"... ;>_>

**JAIF** · 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by an0nym0us

DBZ doesn't need a room to overridden Laws. Itachi said nothing but a Mangekyo Sharingan user which means omnipotent/immortal are excluded. You are really contradicting your own theory.

Itachi didn't mention omnipotent beings because they don't exist in the Narutoverse. What did you expect him to say, "You can only counter this technique if you have MS, oh, and btw, if you are an omnipotent being from another universe that doesn't even exist here"?

Omnipotent beings are omnipotent, meaning everything is under their control. Perceive Tsukuyomi as a city. Itachi would be the Mayor of the city, but it would still be under the control of the Government (an omnipotent being). A crappy analogy, but you get the point.

Partially-omnipotent beings (beings that are omnipotent in their own realm, or under special conditions) are also vulnerable to Tsukuyomi. The only ones that would be able to resist it would be these with a form of complete omnipotence.

Not even immortality can save you from Tsukuyomi, since it attacks the mind - Tsukuyomi would not kill you, but it would totally destroy all your brain functions, thus absolutely defeating you.

Mental invulnerability can protect you from Tsukuyomi, or at least help you make it through alive.

Therefore, beings who are not

a) Absolutely Omnipotent

b) Invulnerable to all mental assaults

c) Wielders of a genjutsu skill and Mangekyou Sharingan equal to or better than Itachi's

Cannot survive Tsukuyomi.

an0nym0us · 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by JAIF

Itachi didn't mention omnipotent beings because they don't exist in the Narutoverse. What did you expect him to say, "You can only counter this technique if you have MS, oh, and btw, if you are an omnipotent being from another universe that doesn't even exist here"?

I'm only trying to prove that the Laws of Tsukuyomi doesn't always apply in all Fictional Worlds.

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Originally Posted by JAIF

Omnipotent beings are omnipotent, meaning everything is under their control. Perceive Tsukuyomi as a city. Itachi would be the Mayor of the city, but it would still be under the control of the Government (an omnipotent being). A crappy analogy, but you get the point.

Partially-omnipotent beings (beings that are omnipotent in their own realm, or under special conditions) are also vulnerable to Tsukuyomi. The only ones that would be able to resist it would be these with a form of complete omnipotence.

Not even immortality can save you from Tsukuyomi, since it attacks the mind - Tsukuyomi would not kill you, but it would totally destroy all your brain functions, thus absolutely defeating you.

Mental invulnerability can protect you from Tsukuyomi, or at least help you make it through alive.

Therefore, beings who are not

a) Absolutely Omnipotent

b) Invulnerable to all mental assaults

c) Wielders of a genjutsu skill and Mangekyou Sharingan equal to or better than Itachi's

Cannot survive Tsukuyomi.

This only proves that when you become candy it affects your mind directly as well.

Jonny America · 01-01-2008

Question: If, let's say Janemba was paired up with Itachi, in your state of balanced power, Itachi wouldn't have the ability to tear through dimensions at Janemba's speed, right? Being that we all know Mangekyou takes time to tear through a dimension, Janemba does it like nobody's business. And if you think about it, this has nothing to do with speed, because it's not Janemba traveling, it's the dimensions traveling around him. Itachi loses. Good night, sucka.

**JAIF** · 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by an0nym0us

I'm only trying to prove that the Laws of Tsukuyomi doesn't always apply in all Fictional Worlds.

They do apply where we have no reason at all to assume they do not.

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Originally Posted by an0nym0us

This only proves that when you become candy it affects your mind directly as well.

Wtf, no. O_o

It affects your body.

Btw how did anything you quoted even remotely relate to that?

an0nym0us · 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by JAIF

They do apply where we have no reason at all to assume they do not.

Wtf, no. O_o

It affects your body.

Btw how did anything you quoted even remotely relate to that?

Once you become a candy, you have no mind and spirit at all. It's the henka beam that affects the body.

**JAIF** · 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by an0nym0us

Once you become a candy, you have no mind and spirit at all. It's the henka beam that affects the body.

No, your mind and spirit are not... destroyed, because otherwise all those people could not change back. They just lay dormant within an inanimate object. As proven by Vegito, if your power is so strong that it cannot be supressed into that miniscule form of existence, you can overcome the apparent limits that being an inanimate object poses.

But that does not relate to Tsukuyomi. At all.

**JAIF** · 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Jonny America

Question: If, let's say Janemba was paired up with Itachi, in your state of balanced power, Itachi wouldn't have the ability to tear through dimensions at Janemba's speed, right? Being that we all know Mangekyou takes time to tear through a dimension, Janemba does it like nobody's business. And if you think about it, this has nothing to do with speed, because it's not Janemba traveling, it's the dimensions traveling around him. Itachi loses. Good night, sucka.

READ THE MATCH-UP.

HAND-TO-HAND ONLY.

>_>

an0nym0us · 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by JAIF

No, your mind and spirit are not... destroyed, because otherwise all those people could not change back. They just lay dormant within an inanimate object. As proven by Vegito, if your power is so strong that it cannot be supressed into that miniscule form of existence, you can overcome the apparent limits that being an inanimate object poses.

But that does not relate to Tsukuyomi. At all.

Since when did I say it was destroyed?

It was never destroyed, it was changed to candy and being inanimate affects your mind and spirit directly. Vegetto said he kept everything except his physical form. Henka beam does not indicate powers.

**Shirogetsu** · 01-01-2008

This match up is epic fail btw, take away the limitations so I can name some characters who would absolutely obliterate Itachi, c'mon guys, be cool. ;/

**JAIF** · 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Shirogetsu

This match up is epic fail btw, take away the limitations so I can name some characters who would absolutely obliterate Itachi, c'mon guys, be cool. ;/

If we take away the limitations, then Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu become available, which degrades this to another discussion over whether X character would look at the opponent or not before the fight starts, or how "instant" instantly is, or how "omnipotent" an omnipotent character is, and ridiculous crap like that.

The rules were a good inspiration on Nikushimi's part.

**Shirogetsu** · 01-01-2008

Both Amateratsu and Tsukiyomi are illusions which take effect upon the mind, they won't work against robots, considering they don't have chakra. So there's quite a few characters who would win against him if we took off these limitations. >_>

Deep thought · 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Shirogetsu

Both Amateratsu and Tsukiyomi are illusions which take effect upon the mind, they won't work against robots, considering they don't have chakra. So there's quite a few characters who would win against him if we took off these limitations. >_>

Damn, I really messed up there, thanks for finding that.

01-01-2008	#81 (permalink)
Jonny America (25) Kami of Earth Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: America Posts: 3,963 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 50	Re: Itachi vs. Anything that draws breath! D:< Question: If, let's say Janemba was paired up with Itachi, in your state of balanced power, Itachi wouldn't have the ability to tear through dimensions at Janemba's speed, right? Being that we all know Mangekyou takes time to tear through a dimension, Janemba does it like nobody's business. And if you think about it, this has nothing to do with speed, because it's not Janemba traveling, it's the dimensions traveling around him. Itachi loses. Good night, sucka. __________________ -Out for the week, be back Saturday- [/b][/center]

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Shirogetsu ELF GIRL, FUCK YEAH Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Inside of Zearth Posts: 8,131 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 83	Re: Itachi vs. Anything that draws breath! D:< This match up is epic fail btw, take away the limitations so I can name some characters who would absolutely obliterate Itachi, c'mon guys, be cool. ;/ __________________ I honestly don't care much for anime versus topics, I also don't care if people like them, in the long run most of them are pretty retarded and the only good ones have already been done before. Just enjoy a series for what it is, instead of being "MY CHARACTER IS MUCH STRONGER THAN YOURS." Currently watching: Code Geass [shit sux, mostly] and Xam'd: Lost Memories [Go watch this if you want an actual good anime this season, srsly.]

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Shirogetsu ELF GIRL, FUCK YEAH Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Inside of Zearth Posts: 8,131 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 83	Re: Itachi vs. Anything that draws breath! D:< Both Amateratsu and Tsukiyomi are illusions which take effect upon the mind, they won't work against robots, considering they don't have chakra. So there's quite a few characters who would win against him if we took off these limitations. >_> __________________ I honestly don't care much for anime versus topics, I also don't care if people like them, in the long run most of them are pretty retarded and the only good ones have already been done before. Just enjoy a series for what it is, instead of being "MY CHARACTER IS MUCH STRONGER THAN YOURS." Currently watching: Code Geass [shit sux, mostly] and Xam'd: Lost Memories [Go watch this if you want an actual good anime this season, srsly.]