Itachi vs Anything - Page 55

**Nikushimi** · 03-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Island of 1,000 Condiments

So, I have a rubber wall. Then, I have a cannon. Picture this rubber wall as Susano'o. It reflects anything within the Naruto universe. My cannon is a Z-based galaxy destroyer. So, would my cannon ball be reflected by Susano'o? No, it wouldn't. It would shatter and pass Susano'o. Why? Because a cannon blast is powerful enough that it would simply break through the wall. If this is the property of reflection you speak of, then I just shattered your argument. D=

Ugh.

You're thinking on a physical-only basis, where Susano'o is rubber and the blast is a cannonball. This is not necessarily the case.

**Zer0** · 03-12-2008

What if you match up Susano'o against an attack that "can never be reflected". :/

**Shirogetsu** · 03-12-2008

Dear Kishimoto is this god modded Susano'o attack unstoppable?
Kishimoto: Uh... I dunno, I don't even know what I'm writing anymore, I get a monkey to do it all for me.

Eliwood21 · 03-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Zer0

What if you match up Susano'o against an attack that "can never be reflected". :/

Then there would be a contradictory somewhere in either side.

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Originally Posted by Shirogetsu

Kishimoto: Uh... I dunno, I don't even know what I'm writing anymore, I get a monkey to do it all for me.

Hey, don't diss the monkey; he was doing pretty damn good up until now.

**Island of 1,000 Condiments** · 03-12-2008

Lol, paradox.

@Nikushimi: The way I see it, if it's stronger, it shatters Susano'o. If Trunks hurled his sword, his sword would have enough firce behind it to shatter Susano'o. The same applies if Trunks blasts Itachi with a wave that could destroy the planet. If enough power is behind anything, it can move or destroy the opposing object. Physical or not, that's fact. Chakra is physical enough to be stopped or destroyed. In fact, Samehada eats Chakra. So it can't be that spiritual. Physical power against a magical barrier. If you honestly overwhelme the barrier, you'll shatter it. It's simple, and you're just avoiding tha fact that this is a statement that exists for the Naruto Universe. To Zetsu, no other universe exists. Planets cannot be destroyed.

**Nikushimi** · 03-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Zer0

What if you match up Susano'o against an attack that "can never be reflected". :/

If it was stronger, it might break through. Of course, that's IF it's literally IMPOSSIBLE to reflect.

That, or paradoxical universe destruction. Like Milleniummon vs. Gold Requiem.

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Originally Posted by Island of 1,000 Condiments

The way I see it, if it's stronger, it shatters Susano'o. If Trunks hurled his sword, his sword would have enough firce behind it to shatter Susano'o. The same applies if Trunks blasts Itachi with a wave that could destroy the planet. If enough power is behind anything, it can move or destroy the opposing object. Physical or not, that's fact. Chakra is physical enough to be stopped or destroyed. In fact, Samehada eats Chakra. So it can't be that spiritual. Physical power against a magical barrier. If you honestly overwhelme the barrier, you'll shatter it. It's simple, and you're just avoiding tha fact that this is a statement that exists for the Naruto Universe. To Zetsu, no other universe exists. Planets cannot be destroyed.

"Reflection" is essentially "redirection". As I said, the principles regarding it and "resistance" are completely different.

It simply involves letting the opposing force pass, but in a different direction. For all we know, it could eat things up and spit them back out through a freaky loophole in space. That, or shit just slips right off it, like a lubed-up shield.

The one stated fact about it, is that it reflects anything. Period. Not "nothing known to exist breaks it", it's "nothing breaks it".

**Shirogetsu** · 03-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Nikushimi

Like Milleniummon vs. Gold Requiem.

You mean Golden Experience Requiem?

**JAIF** · 03-12-2008

Uh, just because Zetsu said that a legend said that Susano'o reflected all attacks, that doesn't just make it the invincible pinball. It probably can deflect attacks weaker than its own capacity, or the user's capacity or whatever. If it could just randomly... deflect everything, Itachi would just walk into the Akatsuki Hideout with that up and people would start dying.

Jonny America · 03-12-2008

Guys

ITACHI VS. TOUSEN.

**Island of 1,000 Condiments** · 03-12-2008

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Originally Posted by JAIF

Uh, just because Zetsu said that a legend said that Susano'o reflected all attacks, that doesn't just make it the invincible pinball. It probably can deflect attacks weaker than its own capacity, or the user's capacity or whatever. If it could just randomly... deflect everything, Itachi would just walk into the Akatsuki Hideout with that up and people would start dying.

I love how even Dio-san agrees with me.

Fact: This statement applies for the Naruto Universe. He stated Susano'o can reflect anything. This statement meant anything in the Naruto universe. Naruto universe.

**JAIF** · 03-12-2008

Even?

I'm pretty much always following facts, not allowing my personal preferences to get in the way of my arguments. I know my facts, and when I don't, I take care to specifically distinguish speculation and theory from argument and statement, so that, if I do end up wrong, the issue can be solved without an unneccessary flame war.

**Nikushimi** · 03-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Island of 1,000 Condiments

I love how even Dio-san agrees with me.

Fact: This statement applies for the Naruto Universe. He stated Susano'o can reflect anything. This statement meant anything in the Naruto universe. Naruto universe.

Narutoverse has cosmic-level destruction too. Stars and all that shit. Hell, Amaterasu is supposedly as hot as the sun.

This being the case, saying that nothing breaks Susano'o...kind of means exactly that. Hell, it tanked Kirin, which by Naruto standards should be impossible for anything to stop.

Until we see otherwise, you can't really justify your point on the simple basis of it being a different series.

@JAIF: Um, no. Susano'o doesn't last that long, and even then, there's still Madara to contend with, who can apparently handle Itachi on his own.

**Island of 1,000 Condiments** · 03-12-2008

We've seen no cosmic destruction from a character in Naruto.

So, if Madara was stated to be the strongest Shinobi ever, a character from another other series, who is also a Shinobi would be immediately weaker?

**JAIF** · 03-12-2008

Nikushimi... no.

Let me just bury this argument real quick, k? Because it's getting tiring.

Amaterasu was stated to burn everything Itachi's eyes fall on to cinders. Susano'o was stated to deflect everything that is used against it instantly. Both Susano'o and Amaterasu fall under the category of "everything". So, if there was another person with Itachi's abilities and he used Amaterasu against an Itachi who was using Susano'o, then Amaterasu should reduce Susano'o to ashes, since Susano'o is a part of "everything". However, Susano'o should also deflect Amaterasu unharmed, since Amaterasu is also part of "everything". Whoops, hole.

As you see, such statements don't even apply to the same series as a whole, let alone different series.

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Zer0 Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 9,379 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 74	Re: Itachi vs Anything What if you match up Susano'o against an attack that "can never be reflected". :/ __________________ \|Work in Progress Signature\| \|Bleach Power Levels\| \|Movie Power Levels\| \|Databook Statistics\|

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Island of 1,000 Condiments Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,756 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 81	Re: Itachi vs Anything Lol, paradox. @Nikushimi: The way I see it, if it's stronger, it shatters Susano'o. If Trunks hurled his sword, his sword would have enough firce behind it to shatter Susano'o. The same applies if Trunks blasts Itachi with a wave that could destroy the planet. If enough power is behind anything, it can move or destroy the opposing object. Physical or not, that's fact. Chakra is physical enough to be stopped or destroyed. In fact, Samehada eats Chakra. So it can't be that spiritual. Physical power against a magical barrier. If you honestly overwhelme the barrier, you'll shatter it. It's simple, and you're just avoiding tha fact that this is a statement that exists for the Naruto Universe. To Zetsu, no other universe exists. Planets cannot be destroyed. __________________ - Retired Super Moderator -

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Jonny America (25) Kami of Earth Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: America Posts: 3,962 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 46	Re: Itachi vs Anything Guys ITACHI VS. TOUSEN. __________________ -Out for the week, be back Saturday- [/b][/center]

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Island of 1,000 Condiments Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,756 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 81	Re: Itachi vs Anything We've seen no cosmic destruction from a character in Naruto. So, if Madara was stated to be the strongest Shinobi ever, a character from another other series, who is also a Shinobi would be immediately weaker? __________________ - Retired Super Moderator -

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