Originally Posted by burningvegeta

But you can't compare Bugs Bunny to Roger Rabbit can you as there not the same. Tsukuyomi has never been broken out of (making any person who thinks there attack can overcome them just opinions unless it rely on pure facts) ignore the Babidi part

Originally Posted by burningvegeta

I cannot be bothered, if you don't want to take my word for it fine. There plot and there facts the fact is they talk to make plots interesting so the viewer knows WTF is going on. Fact is it it wouldn't be a good program if it was fight..fight..fight. Fact is if Itachi encountered a character from DBZ they would probably die.

Has anybody got any the Freiza manga.
Infact here you go dude:

Happy now...

Originally Posted by Final Ultima

LOL, lets wait and see if Itachi is even the strongest in his own universe before facing another level of power.
Anonymous is right, none of those beings ever broke Babidi's control besides Dabura towards the end when h wanted to kill Buu but Itachi is nowhere near Dabura in power.

Originally Posted by Nikushimi

In other words, what that post basically says, is that you can't cope with the fact that you've been proven wrong and I've been proven right.

Yes, "speedblitzing" IS a "viable tactic", since Goku is capable of it. However, "capable" and "likely to" are on a whole different measure. Because, by that logic, I can say Itachi wins, simply on the basis that Tsukuyomi=instant death.

This "PIS" business of yours is nothing but a childish defiance of the facts. You'd rather pick at the evidence that's thrown against you and challenge every little thing, than accept that you just might be...wrong. Because Goku being cocky is just "part of the plot". Uh, no. Did you ever stop to consider that it's a part of his freaking personality? That has bearing on the grounds of strategic ability, and is thus a valid subject for debate.

Next, regardless of Ki suppression, Itachi is prone to use Genjutsu all the time. At that point, he can discover their power at his own liesure, and while they're haphazardly swinging away at an illusion and destroying continents in the process, Itachi has reason to get serious and initiate a finisher, like Tsukuyomi. Because that too is part of his personality, his fighting style, and overall, the kind of strategy he would implement. Therefore, that is a valid argument.

Naturally, though, you'd rather see a DBZ character win, because it suits your preferences, and because winning is a work done which is measured in Joules. Right?

Originally Posted by an0nym0us

Babidi allowed Dabura to fight Majin-Boo, therefore Dabura didn't resist Babidi's control.

Originally Posted by Nikushimi

about the application of that power, not just...the prescence of it.

Originally Posted by Final Ultima

Yes and Tsukiyomi won't work on a character who is spiritually, mentally and physically greater than Itachi. Simple Illusions will not work.

Originally Posted by Majuub

Nikushimi, there is no need to provoke him, stay calm even if he frustrates you(Believe me I know he does)

Please don't bring the old DBZ vs Tsukuyomi here, there was another topic and it was locked due to lack of evidence and intelligence. We'll try to not bring that argument here and stick to the Itachi vs anything but it would be a bad idea to bring DBZ in.

Originally Posted by Nikushimi

Uh, Dabura is only stronger physically. Physical power...means nothing, for the fifty-...billionth time.

Quoting this from the "Mangekyou" topic to counter your "PIS" bullshit again, btw:





In regards to only weaker opponents facing Tsukuyomi...Naruto is not like Dragonball Z. If Kakashi hit Itachi with a Raikiri, dead-on, he would die. Simple as that. It's not just..."Itachi>Kakashi, therefore Tsukuyomi>Kakashi", and consequently, it's not just "anyone who is >Itachi, therefore they are also >Tsukuyomi". It's not about...physical power. It's about technical ability, stamina, the technique itself, etc. Power has something to do with it, but it's really about the application of that power, not just...the prescence of it.

Originally Posted by Madness

I have only one thing to say:

In before the lock!

Cos thats the way this is going.

Originally Posted by an0nym0us

I didn't say that Tsukuyomi only affects the weak, what i meant is that all it's victims were weak. I wonder what would happen if it's billion times stronger.

Originally Posted by an0nym0us

If there is a person who keeps on throwing the same garbage over and over, it's not me. Try to look at his sig and avatar. I'm just trying to point that Itachi is a nobody in DBZ therefore the argument about "talking too much" is non-sense because talking too much has a plot and reasons. Did you even read the scan that i posted about "Goku vs. Unknown Wrestler"?

Originally Posted by Nikushimi

Nothing. Nothing would happen, except that the victim would...still be a "victim".

The difference between Kurenai and Kisame is...astronomical, in terms of both physical power and chakra capacity, and that's putting it lightly. Yet, her Genjutsu still clearly affected him.

Likewise, both Sasuke and Shikamaru were able to break the Genjutsu of Orochimaru and Tayuya respectively, despite being significantly weaker.

Originally Posted by Nikushimi

Uh, look at your own fuggin' avatar, buddy. Hell, look at your own post right there. You're clearly biased in favor of DBZ.

Originally Posted by Nikushimi

"I'm just trying to point out that Itachi is a nobody in DBZ". Uh, well, you're failing horribly at that, because...he isn't. I went over this already. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by Nikushimi

Yet again, talking rather than finishing opponents right away stands as a characteristic of that character's strategic abiltiy and usual tactics. It's fair game in this discussion, as much as any measurement of power.