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Old 12-31-2007   #31 (permalink)
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Kishimoto said Genjutsu can be broken (through Jiraiya). I don't/wouldn't care wether or not Naruto, Kakashi, or even Jesus couldn't break it. If he says it can be done it can be done.

And why would he let Sasuke say: "I'll find a way to beat him on my own" XD

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Itachi IS omnipotent within Tsukoyomi. Everything that transpires within that dreamscape is under his command. Superman's ability may have some affect, but you're going to need to describe it first. =/
Are there any scans/data book stating Itachi is omnipotent within Tsukuyomi?
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Itachi states that "Within the realm of Tsukoyomi...space...time...everything..is under my control." That is an absolute power, over all of that world, and everything within it (don't exclude the opponent from that). That is a form of omnipotence.

And, ANB, genjutsu can be broken - normal genjutsu. But resisting Tsukoyomi has different requirements entirely, namely, both Sharingan and Kekkei Genkai (i.e., not Kakashi), and that's resisting it before the fact..once in it, Itachi controls "everything", i.e., omnipotence. Tsukoyomi is stated to take affect instantly, so unless it is met with the proper resistant, instantly, it will take affect. Now, as long as Superman sensed what was happening somehow, then he of all people should be able to counteract instantly, in which case, Superman wins..instantly, by the like..the force of his perspiration, that he has not yet..perspired, but that's not the problem here - it isn't Superman vs. Itachi (since..that matchup, would be horrible..). The problem is, this match places Superman in Tsukoyomi to begin with.
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I apologize for the crappy translations, but I figure that you can get the gist.

EDIT: SS2 Vegeto beat me to it, but the scans basically show what he's saying.
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Here, another scanlation.

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Itachi states that "Within the realm of Tsukoyomi...space...time...everything..is under my control." That is an absolute power, over all of that world, and everything within it (don't exclude the opponent from that). That is a form of omnipotence.

And, ANB, genjutsu can be broken - normal genjutsu. But resisting Tsukoyomi has different requirements entirely, namely, both Sharingan and Kekkei Genkai (i.e., not Kakashi), and that's resisting it before the fact..once in it, Itachi controls "everything", i.e., omnipotence. Tsukoyomi is stated to take affect instantly, so unless it is met with the proper resistant, instantly, it will take affect. Now, as long as Superman sensed what was happening somehow, then he of all people should be able to counteract instantly, in which case, Superman wins..instantly, by the like..the force of his perspiration, that he has not yet..perspired, but that's not the problem here - it isn't Superman vs. Itachi (since..that matchup, would be horrible..). The problem is, this match places Superman in Tsukoyomi to begin with.
1) Yeah, yeah, we all heard the story
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I, Akuma No Barrakku, agree with the second paragraph!!

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It doesn't talk about anti-illusion abilities, though. And keep in mind, whatever happens here, is happening in Tsukoyomi, and unless it doesn't fall under "everything"...
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3 pages worth of lulziness.

That Itachi is God incarnate within Tsukuyomi is stated, undeniable fact.

I wasn't questioning if Superman can resist Tsukuyomi.

I was asking if he can escape it.

I don't know crap about him, but in other match-ups involving him, I've read people state / imply that he can break dimensional barriers.

Tsukuyomi is a dimension, an illusionary dimension, but still, a dimension.

Could Superman break it?
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Vision: Superman possessed x-ray vision, allowing him to see through solid objects, as well as telescopic vision (seeing great, even interstellar distances) and microscopic vision (seeing small things, even subatomic particles). These powers could be used individually or in conjunction with one another. His eyes could also perceive the full electromagnetic spectrum including infrared and ultraviolet frequencies of radiation.

There you go Niku.

Mental Powers: Superman possessed genius-level intelligence and an eidetic memory. These enhanced mental capabilities were a direct result of his exposure to a yellow sun,. Superman also possessed the mental ability to screen out the enormous amount of information received by his enhanced senses and to focus on a single detail such as a particular voice or location.

Probably a lot smarter than Itachi (or at least, his mind is strong enough to handle chakra).

Stamina: Superman could survive indefinitely without food, water, or rest.

Healing factor: Superman could regenerate physical damage to his body at an accelerated rate

^Torturing won't do any good :/ :| :P

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Could Superman break it?
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Super Boo shatters dimensions. SS4 Goku is stronger than Super Boo.

Universe>Dimension>>>Reality>>>>>>Illusionary Dimension

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Beyonder>>>Superman (Silver AGE)>SS4 Goku>>>>>>Whoever...
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Change of heart...?

Super Boo shatters dimensions. SS4 Goku is stronger than Super Boo.

Universe>Dimension>>>Reality>>>>>>Illusionary Dimension

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Beyonder>>>Superman (Silver AGE)>SS4 Goku>>>>>>Whoever...
I'm just asking. And judging by your arguments, no change is going to happen...

Super Buu did not shatter dimensions. Super Buu only opened a small rift between a dimension whose barriers were extremely fragile (you could access it through a freaking door), and so did SSj3 Gotenks with all of his energy. The rest is filler. Tsukuyomi is MUCH harder to break through than Room of Spirit and Time, because 1) it is an illusionary world and 2) in Tsukuyomi, you have no control over your actions, and you can't just scream out and open a rift, even if you supposedly have the power to do that.
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X-ray/telescopic/microscopic/infrared/ultraviolet vision has nothing to do with this. At all.

His intelligence isn't a factor in Tsukoyomi.

Physical stamina doesn't matter, in a direct attack on the mind/spirit, and, honestly, neither does mental stamina, since Itachi controls "everything" within Tsukoyomi. That includes Superman, and whatever type of stamina. The only way around this, on anything, is to prove that something doesn't fall under the category of "everything".

Tsukoyomi takes affect instantly. The torture can take place over any amount of time, and it will take affect..instantly in real time. This is the mind, not the body. Torture in a mental/spiritual dimension is not affected by physical regeneration, and in fact, even if damage to his mind/spirit was capable of regnerating instantly, it is a thing taking place, within Tsukoyomi, a place where Itachi controls everything.

Shattering it, is..you realize it's a mental/spiritual dimension, honestly, what happens to his mind. Aaaand, exerting the power to shatter it (mentally), isn't taking place within Tsukoyomi, or does not fall under the category of.."everything"?
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If an entity was omnipotent, he could think himself out of the separate dimension, and he'd be out of it.

Some people said that some of Superman's incarnations are omnipotent.
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Superman is in now way omnipotent. Sure he's strong but he can't think himself out of Tsukoyomi.
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He has limitless "potential" for power, and invulnerability (physical). As well, the most he has done, were such things as moving a galaxy with his will, and ressurrecting Lois Lane from the dead, by turnin her DNA inside out through time, but I might mention he had a power ring in that instance, which acts on willpower. Superman can't just decide for things to happen/can't just do anything.
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-The ROSAT is so unbearable that Super Saiyajin have trouble staying in there. Super Boo indeed "shattered" a dimension; but what does it matter? Super Man certainly could.
-Filler...? It's just another incarnation. Super Man is from silver age. Silver Age is outdated. GT is just another timeline of the same series.

Shippuuden is just another series of Naruto. Should I continue...?

1) An "illusion" is something that ISN'T REAL. How the fuck is something that isn't real more powerfull than the real deal...?

Oh, that's right, because Itachi is "god". My bad! 'Was outta line.

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