an0nym0us

how long?

Now you're using my argumentIgnorance is a bliss, DC/Marvel/DBZ have sonic booms.

Nikushimi

Unless I'm...proven wrong.



Are you just messing with me now? ;-_-



It's not about common sense, it's about memory, and mine needs some refreshing. :/


You acted like magic is unbeatable.

So if it's not unbeatable, then who cares if Vegeto beat it? That doesn't mean his mind and spirit are unkillable, and thus, you have no proof that Tsukuyomi wouldn't affect him. Case closed. :/

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Nikushimi

Honestly, no more than a few minutes. They fought eachother, talked a few times, and collided with their attacks one last time. It's not like they spent an entire day brawling.


I use your argument, therefore I'm ignorant? Er, what? :/

I don't know about DC and Marvel, but where in DBZ are there sonic booms? How do you know that they're sonic booms? Because the DBZ characters are already established to be faster than sound, and because there just happens to be a neat little "Boom" sound effect listed in the panel?

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an0nym0us

Since when?

what are we discussing here? hello earth to kunishi i mean niku

You acted like Itachi is unbeatable

Henka is irresistable, my proof is Vegetto didn't lose his mind in inanimate form. If that is still killable to you, provide evidence.

Nikushimi

...Forever?



It doesn't really matter.



I said a superior Mangekyou Sharingan user could beat him, and so could omnipotent beings.

And that's just inside Tsukuyomi. There are WAY more people who I think could beat Itachi, it's just that the list shrinks once they're already inside Tsukuyomi.


But if we don't know how powerful Henka Beam is, we don't know how easy or how hard it is to resist it. And since we don't know HOW Vegeto resisted it...we don't know how anyone could resist it, or if Vegeto could resist other things. Just because he resisted it doesn't really tell us anything.

We don't know what he did or how he did it, so that doesn't prove that his mind and spirit are unkillable. If that is the case...then you can't assume that his mind and spirit are unkillable, and you can't assume that he can just resist Tsukuyomi, because no one is just...immune to these things, for no reason. :/

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an0nym0us

Proof?

It's not my fault if you lack interests.

Nikushimi

We see the whole fight, ongoing, unceasing, until there is a conclusion, and there is no transition between night and day, no time lapse, etc.

We see a straight fight and a conclusion. I...hardly see how that encompasses a very large time frame.



What does that have to do with anything?

And by "lack interests", you basically mean that I lack interests in things you like, such as US comics, right?

Well, what I lack in "interests", I make up for in hatred. Which you lack. :/

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Masked_Felix

He's excluded from Genjutsu. I think that's what he's getting at.

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an0nym0us

It doesn't matter what your name is

According to your opinion, Itachi is the 2nd or 3rd most powerful character in Naruto. According to your opinion, Itachi is a demi-god with or without tsukuyummy.

Henka Beam does not indicate power unlike Mangekyo Sharingan (superiority). Vegetto didn't resist it, he kept anything except his physical form. This only proves that he can keep his mind no matter what the condition is (except from being destroyed).

Again, how would explain something magical? Prove me that Vegetto's mind is killable if he can keep it in an inanimate object. You said it yourself that immortality is excluded. Therefore, Vegetto's mind is excluded.

Nikushimi

He's not excluded from having his arms and legs ripped off and force-fed to him. :/

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Masked_Felix

Well, yeah. I was just trying to clarify his intent. I don't know jack-diddly about Megaman...except for that the music is cool.

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an0nym0us

what? I didn't know that machine is not excluded from gentutsu.

Masked_Felix

Yeah. Genjutsu affects the brain through the senses. If you have no brain, then Genjutsu doesn't work.

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JAIF

Sasuke was a high genin - low chuunin at the time.

He just... grappled a bit with Kakashi, and that was it. For like, two panels O_o

Sasuke has been fighting pretty equally with Itachi, as much as it pains me to say it, with Itachi only getting a brief edge before Sasuke used the Chidori.

As for the last part, I repeat, Sasuke was just a genin - chuunin then, it's like saying that because I can just grab a 12-year-old's head and slam it against the wall until it breaks with no effort at all, I'm suddenly Rocky Balboa.

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Nikushimi

Well...yeah. o_O



Question: Do we know how Vegeto survived it? Do we know that it's not just because he was more powerful than Buu? Do we know how the Henka Beam's magic works, exactly?

No, no, and no. Vegeto did it, somehow, but that does not instantly make him unbeatable.


You're asking me to explain how Vegeto survived as a magical piece of candy?

I don't know. Nobody does. But again, he did it somehow, and that doesn't indicate that he is immune to all forms of mental assault.

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