Anime Society - Page 104

Engel · 05-15-2008

Kamen no maid guy is becoming one of the few decent ones out so far.
Akumetsu isn't too bad, Crayne. Haven't seen the anime of it yet, might check it out to see if it's any decent and be lazy.

**Crayne** · 05-15-2008

Akumetsu anime? I am fairly interested.

Also, bought D. Gray-Man volume 9.

Engel · 05-20-2008

Seems I misread the anime and it was actually akametsu, the one where kid goes back in time somehow to samurai era. Fucking severe disappointment at this discovery.

Also, this was at the bottom, almost gone. I have saved us from second paging.

**Crayne** · 05-20-2008

Yeah, I was thinking there wasn't an Akumetsu anime, but instead Amatsuki... so wait, what were you disappointed in, Amatsuki or Akumetsu? Boy goes back in time, or a batshit crazy student starts killing people?

**Masked_Felix** · 05-20-2008

The second description sounds kinda cool.

**Crayne** · 05-20-2008

Alright, let me expand my description.

Batshit crazy student who puts on a mask starts killing people who he himself deems "evil". Also, he can multiply/be at many locations simultaneously.

**Masked_Felix** · 05-20-2008

So it's sort of like Death Note, but better, since the deed is done in person by an omnipresent/semi-omnipresent student.

**G.O.A.T.** · 05-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Crayne

Alright, let me expand my description.

Batshit crazy student who puts on a mask starts killing people who he himself deems "evil". Also, he can multiply/be at many locations simultaneously.

Made me think of Death Note.

EDIT: Blast you Felix.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 05-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Masked_Felix

So it's sort of like Death Note, but better, since the deed is done in person by an omnipresent/semi-omnipresent student.

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Originally Posted by Masked_Felix

So it's sort of like Death Note, but better

sage

**Crayne** · 05-20-2008

It's nothing like Death Note because the people who die... well, they aren't going to die of something as simple as a heart attack. More like jumping down from high buildings, explosions, headshots, splitting the skull with an axe... the list goes on.

EDIT: Why am I still promoting this? Go fucking read it, damnit.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 05-20-2008

Everything gets compared to Death Note these days. Delicious Mirai Nikki, fuckwin Akumetsu, even Macbeth!

**Masked_Felix** · 05-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Crayne

It's nothing like Death Note because the people who die... well, they aren't going to die of something as simple as a heart attack. More like jumping down from high buildings, explosions, headshots, splitting the skull with an axe... the list goes on.

But the basic idea of a guy going crazy and killing those who he views as evil. This sounds like the basic Death Note concept done right, however, since he actually gets out there to do the vigilante vengeance with his own hands.

@CMG: Macbeth is nothing like Death Note. You're thinking of Hamlet. It's not bad that things get compared to it, really. It's a sort of quality gauge for things similar on base levels. If it's said to be better, check it out with caution. If it's said to be worse, don't even try it.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 05-20-2008

I've read neither Macbeth nor Hamlet, but I know it's Macbeth that gets the comparisons. In fact, I just remember that I have a delicious copypasta from 4chan saved. I don't know how accurate it is, but nevertheless, I'm just showing you that the comparisons exist.

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Originally Posted by Mmmmm, is that sum delicious copypasta? Can I try sum?

Death Note is basically Macbeth, if that's not blantentely obvious. The story is told from the perspective of a villian with some supernatural advantage (Kira has a Death Note, Macbeth couldn't be killed). He is challenged by a series of heroic people who all meet bad ends. He is led to kill his family and friends. In the end though, he is a lonely raving lunatic and he ultimately dies. And all the while, supernatural entities are viewing the human drama from an unbiased perspective (Witches in Macbeth, Shinigami in Death Note). Also, the hero/villian archetypes are reflections of each other (L and Kira, Macbeth and Banquo). Macbeth kills Banquo to ensure his rise to power, because Banquo rejects murder while Macbeth embraces it.

That's a good story structure, but I think the story of Macbeth was better in the beginning when Macbeth wasn't entirely evil. But after slaying King Duncun and Banquo, there is no hope or remorse for Macbeth. You just want him to die. Yet at the same time, you sympathize with him in a twisted way and his demise is also painful. Like, it wasn't bad enough that your hero died, now your villian is dying.

But the hero still has the "last laugh" from beyond, and it's the good guy, not the bad guy, who has an enduring legacy (M and N in Death Note, Malcom son of Banquo in Macbeth). Hell, Kira and Macbeth both see ghosts of their respective nemesis (L and Banquo)

The surprises in Death Note are not who dies or lives (which can be seen a mile away) but rather the little forks in the road along the way. L verus Kira at their peak is the cream of the series. A dead L and a declining Kira, even though it's necessary to round out the story and conclude it, is just not as good. It's still worth watching, though.

**Masked_Felix** · 05-20-2008

Yes, that's Macbeth. I've never read Hamlet, either, I was just being smart alack. However, if you know how to word it, you can make comparisons between just about any two things. Macbeth and Death Note are pretty different.

**Amerowolf** · 05-20-2008

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Death Note is basically Macbeth, if that's not blantentely obvious. The story is told from the perspective of a villian with some supernatural advantage (Kira has a Death Note, Macbeth couldn't be killed). He is challenged by a series of heroic people who all meet bad ends. He is led to kill his family and friends. In the end though, he is a lonely raving lunatic and he ultimately dies. And all the while, supernatural entities are viewing the human drama from an unbiased perspective (Witches in Macbeth, Shinigami in Death Note). Also, the hero/villian archetypes are reflections of each other (L and Kira, Macbeth and Banquo). Macbeth kills Banquo to ensure his rise to power, because Banquo rejects murder while Macbeth embraces it.

That's a good story structure, but I think the story of Macbeth was better in the beginning when Macbeth wasn't entirely evil. But after slaying King Duncun and Banquo, there is no hope or remorse for Macbeth. You just want him to die. Yet at the same time, you sympathize with him in a twisted way and his demise is also painful. Like, it wasn't bad enough that your hero died, now your villian is dying.

But the hero still has the "last laugh" from beyond, and it's the good guy, not the bad guy, who has an enduring legacy (M and N in Death Note, Malcom son of Banquo in Macbeth). Hell, Kira and Macbeth both see ghosts of their respective nemesis (L and Banquo)

The surprises in Death Note are not who dies or lives (which can be seen a mile away) but rather the little forks in the road along the way. L verus Kira at their peak is the cream of the series. A dead L and a declining Kira, even though it's necessary to round out the story and conclude it, is just not as good. It's still worth watching, though.

What the fuck? Comparing manga to shakespeare? Now there's a conversation I want to have.

I can see some of the similarities in there, though I'm appalled that that there was no mention of MacDuff being like Near, since Macduff was indeed the one to slay MacBeth.

I'm not sure if Light was meant to be a tragic hero, I doubt not anyway, but MacBeth certainly was. He was shown to be remorseful and greivious after killing Duncan while his wife was the malicious one. And MacBeth never killed his wife like Light did to Misa, she killed her own damn self since she made MacBeth into a monster. MacBeth and Light actually started out pretty different, audiences were meant to pity MacBeth while Light should not receive pity.

And what the fuck. Banquo's son wasn't Malcolm. Malcolm was one of Duncan's sons. DWRAAAWR DX<

05-15-2008	#1546 (permalink)
Engel (27) Lord Enma (27) Released Espada Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oz Posts: 6,493 Rep Power: 22	Re: Anime Society Kamen no maid guy is becoming one of the few decent ones out so far. Akumetsu isn't too bad, Crayne. Haven't seen the anime of it yet, might check it out to see if it's any decent and be lazy. __________________ My DeviantArt ಠ_ಠ

05-15-2008	#1547 (permalink)
Crayne Co-ordinator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Winland Posts: 7,334 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 47	Re: Anime Society Akumetsu anime? I am fairly interested. Also, bought D. Gray-Man volume 9. __________________ NO WAI

05-20-2008	#1548 (permalink)
Engel (27) Lord Enma (27) Released Espada Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oz Posts: 6,493 Rep Power: 22	Re: Anime Society Seems I misread the anime and it was actually akametsu, the one where kid goes back in time somehow to samurai era. Fucking severe disappointment at this discovery. Also, this was at the bottom, almost gone. I have saved us from second paging. __________________ My DeviantArt ಠ_ಠ

05-20-2008	#1549 (permalink)
Crayne Co-ordinator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Winland Posts: 7,334 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 47	Re: Anime Society Yeah, I was thinking there wasn't an Akumetsu anime, but instead Amatsuki... so wait, what were you disappointed in, Amatsuki or Akumetsu? Boy goes back in time, or a batshit crazy student starts killing people? __________________ NO WAI

05-20-2008	#1550 (permalink)
Masked_Felix Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Randland Posts: 3,714 Rep Power: 81	Re: Anime Society The second description sounds kinda cool. __________________ My Wii Code is 6772 9289 6105 2375. My Brawl Friend Code is 1848-3184-0718

05-20-2008	#1551 (permalink)
Crayne Co-ordinator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Winland Posts: 7,334 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 47	Re: Anime Society Alright, let me expand my description. Batshit crazy student who puts on a mask starts killing people who he himself deems "evil". Also, he can multiply/be at many locations simultaneously. __________________ NO WAI

05-20-2008	#1552 (permalink)
Masked_Felix Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Randland Posts: 3,714 Rep Power: 81	Re: Anime Society So it's sort of like Death Note, but better, since the deed is done in person by an omnipresent/semi-omnipresent student. __________________ My Wii Code is 6772 9289 6105 2375. My Brawl Friend Code is 1848-3184-0718

05-20-2008	#1555 (permalink)
Crayne Co-ordinator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Winland Posts: 7,334 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 47	Re: Anime Society It's nothing like Death Note because the people who die... well, they aren't going to die of something as simple as a heart attack. More like jumping down from high buildings, explosions, headshots, splitting the skull with an axe... the list goes on. EDIT: Why am I still promoting this? Go fucking read it, damnit. __________________ NO WAI

05-20-2008	#1556 (permalink)
Chibi Mystic Gohan (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Surrounded by dickgirls Posts: 5,252 Rep Power: 117	Re: Anime Society Everything gets compared to Death Note these days. Delicious Mirai Nikki, fuckwin Akumetsu, even Macbeth! __________________ "Words don't exist so that we can tell the truth; they exist so that we can conceal the truth" - ZOMBIEPOWDER.* Volume 02*

05-20-2008	#1559 (permalink)
Masked_Felix Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Randland Posts: 3,714 Rep Power: 81	Re: Anime Society Yes, that's Macbeth. I've never read Hamlet, either, I was just being smart alack. However, if you know how to word it, you can make comparisons between just about any two things. Macbeth and Death Note are pretty different. __________________ My Wii Code is 6772 9289 6105 2375. My Brawl Friend Code is 1848-3184-0718