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Originally Posted by ANB
Regarding Burter, Goku was faster because of his gravity training. And Burter was only so fast because it was his specialty
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I think both of those points prove that speed can be trained on its own. I don't think Butta was faster because of some genetic mutation, but because he worked hard on his speed. Perhaps doing gravity training of his own.
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Originally Posted by ANB
There are actually several examples where Toriyama reiterates this principle:
-The audience being unable to track Roshi and Kuririn's movements
-Yamcha and the Saibamen moving at "hyper-speed" which could not be done by someone weaker than them. Gohan himself could not track it until he focused
-Vegeta, with a difference of 1.09-1.14 telling Zarbon he looked like he was "standing still".
-Piccolo thinking he could escape 3rd form Freeza, only to be corrected
-Vegeta being able to percieve the death beam only because he was stronger
-Goku and Cell fight. They are completely missed by the camera as "blurs" (reiteration from an old Budokai principle)
-Gohan thinking he could escape from Boo, who not only caught up to him but out-ran him.
^I think I've proven my point.
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I don't think any of those prove anything relevant to this debate. It's a given that an audience of normal humans wouldn't be able to see any of the main characters well when they fight, or that characters much weaker than another character wouldn't be able to track the faster one's movements, or that a character might be able to see an attack/opponent they couldn't see before if the get stronger, etc.