Originally Posted by sub_zero

Yes,it is a valid point.Since we can only make our decision going by what we have and what was showed in the movies.And it showed that Super 13 wasnt abel to kill base Goku and that Goku had a lot of energy left to turn SSJ. On the other side the androids almost with two punches killed SSJ Trunks and #18 almost killed with 3-4 punches SSJ Vegeta.The Sayians where heald by the senzu beans and in the movie after the fight with 13 they all looked fine.But in general both of our opinions are right since its only a matter of opinions.So this is how i see it and this is the way its gonna stand in my chart.

A-17 and A-18>>Super 13