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Originally Posted by Vagrant Lustoid 2
Hence, Broly's really not that strong. MSSJ Goku was hugely more powerful than Ascendant Vegeta, at least twice as much, who was in turn much stronger than a standard SSJ. Basically, even with all the energy that the others could provide to him, I honestly don't think that Goku's power would have been much over his MSSJ state, once he's given all that extra energy. And then that was enough to totally own Broly with one punch. That's at a level of SSJ2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell, and implies that there was a sizable difference in the power levels. Even if I assume Goku's boosted power was 1.5x his MSSJ level, the fact that he owned Broly so hard indicates to me that he was only ever around 75% of MSSJ Goku's strength, at a maximum, and more probably roughly equal to the power Goku demonstrated to Karin. That's how I see it.
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Goku was a MSSJ since he first transformed. Nowhere is it hinted that he held back any power in his fight with Broly, hence him giving it his all like his fight with Cell. He certainly wasn't using only half his power, that would've had him crushed in even less time. The only reason one punch beat Broly was because he focused every bit of energy he had into that which makes sense because it ripped a hole through Broly's stomach and because Goku was wiped out afterwards like he was before begging his friends for help. I like to think of this from Movie 6 when Piccolo, Gohan and Krillin focused their melee attacks on one particular point smashing Cooler's robots. So with that cleared up, MSSJ Goku was far above MSSJ Gohan with all the extra power he received and was only abit stronger than the power Broly was currently at (not his max). The ending was shit but this is how I make the most sense out of it.
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Originally Posted by Devilz
Bio Broly is no where near LSSJ Broly (Movie 10).
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Bio Broly is even weaker than SSJ Broly...
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Originally Posted by Deep thought
I'm talking about him prior to getting hit with the goo. Why do I think that he is as powerful or stronger than movie 10 Broly?
1. Everything else about the clone was the same, I don't see why his power shouldn't, especially since the scientists made a big deal about his power and only his power.
2. That goo is shown and I think even stated to be horrible, horrible stuff.
3. All the other movie villains are equal or stronger than their previous counterparts, I don't see why this should be an exception.
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While #3 isn't necessarily true, the main reason for Broly being abit stronger than he was in Movie 10 is because he was rebuilt using genetic engineering, hence why the scientist said he would be "stronger than ever"
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Originally Posted by Deep thought
I have Cell, at full power, slightly stronger than Broly, same with Bojack.
Bojack=/>Cell=/>Broly. That's in sheer strength, though, because Cell would win against Bojack, despite the minor strength difference.
Broly would lose horribly, though, because, without his huge strength difference, he's nothing. Besides Fat Janemba, every other villain is smarter than Broly. Even Nappa, who was stupid enough to take a Keinzen head on. Then again, I can see Broly being stupid enough to not dodge a Keinzan and take it head on. He has no sort of martial arts and no abilities besides a barrier, which probably only does a lot of damage because of Broly's ludicrous power gaps with everyone else.
Bojack and Cell, on the other hand, are much closer to the top, intelligence-wise. They both rely on more than brute strength, they both know martial arts, and they both have a handful of moves.
I must say that it'll be hard for even Broly fans to ignore this one.
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First off, Broly is also smarter than all the Buu's except for Buutenks and Buuhan.
All of Cell's moves, smarts and techniques are stolen so without those, he would be nothing. Bojack's moves are nothing better than Broly's and his potential is certainly nowhere close so lets be fair here.
Broly's fighting style is mostly of torturous wrestling moves, punching/kicking combos, body slams and anything else that utilizes his large body mass. He doesn't know martial arts like the Z-fighters because he was never taught like them so what do you expect? His raw power is so large that he doesn't even need to worry about a lack of skill to wreck his opponents. His abilities are to drastically raise his power level with no sort of effort other than rage which shows how gifted he is. and his own set of ki attacks are the Eraser Cannon, Gigantic Meteor, and Shell Blaster.
Overall:
Broly > Cell > Bojack
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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito
Well maybe but they still could easily pull characters from wherever they want since they wanted to make Goku the hero. We don't know what goes on in the guys head's who make this so I don't see why we have to for "Outside-universe" explanations. They could have pulled them from the Time Chamber it's their movie and they can do whatever they want. Also you clearly notice in the scene after Vegeta is first grabbed by Piccolo to go and fight. Gohan is blasted aside and Broly (With an angry look on his face) punches Goku, and then the screen goes back to Vegeta & Piccolo arguing. No I suppose you'd say "Well Piccolo isn't stronger than Vegeta in the Cell Games" well that may be true but I find it quite possible that Piccolo was in the ROSAT for most of the Movie so I think Vegeta and Trunks are at their level when they fought Perfect Cell. Piccolo didn't do too much worse against the Cell Juniors than Vegeta & Trunks did, and Vegeta (Cell Games) thought he could beat Cell (The one who creamed him before) so I could easily see Piccolo (Movie 8) being better than Vegeta (Movie 8).
As I mentioned before Goku was hit by Broly (Who has a mad expression on his face) and then when Goku is knocked into a building and says "This guy is really something else" now we never see Gohan again after he's blasted away in the scene where Piccolo is nagging Vegeta so really when Broly had a pissed off expression for those instances then Goku is stronger since he lasted longer. We might not know who he was going harder on and who he wasn't but when you see Goku get with a serious punch and a blast and still have alot more energy to keep fighting, then he could easily be the strongest warrior. Even in the first round he has the same expression on his face when he fights them before Piccolo shows up and yet Goku STILL lasts longer. So really theres nothing to suggest that he fought them each with a certain level of power. This is of course my opinion, but I made this thread to not have another discussion regarding the Z Fighters power in Movie 8 & Movie 10 so I was aiming to avoid it but oh, well.
However Broly is right about one thing combining Base Vegeta (Half power) & the others half power was really not the case I think they simply needed some reason for Broly to be defeated. However I think that they had more fight in them but since they already tried ganging up on him Piccolo knew it wouldn't work so maybe they just decided to combine they're powers.
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1. So? Doesn't mean he took any effort.
2. And yet the rest of the time, he was laughing and making jokes. Hence what he said about a coffin. What you said means nothing.
3. He only lasted longer because he has more skill than Gohan.
4. Goku only had that expression on his face because he was getting his ass kicked, and it was a dumb goofy smile if I remember correctly. Remember right when he passed away after fighting Raditz? There your example.
Obviously, I believe they were MSSJ's so I think Broly from Movie 8 takes this with a decent fight from Bojack. Of course, he would need full power to win which I believe is enough to get the job done. Movie 10 Broly isn't even a fight since he'd be alot stronger than SSJ2 Teen Gohan who easily killed Bojack.