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Originally Posted by SRP76
All that hinges on the assumption that base Vegeta = base Goku. Actually, that may not even matter.
Take a look at Gotenks for this. Gotenks is the same EXACT Fusion type as Gogeta, so it cannot be disputed.
Judging by the fact that Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta is equal to Super Saiyan 2 Goku, and Vegeta did NOT walk away from his fight with Buu, while Gotenks DID, base Gotenks has to be around Super Saiyan 2 Goku in power.
If base Gotenks = Super Saiyan 2 Goku, we're down to one question:
"Do you think Super Saiyan 2 Goku is stronger than a theoretical Super Saiyan 4 Trunks?"
If "yes", then base Gogeta would be stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku. If "no", then he would not be.
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That's not quite it. I agree with most of what you said aside from one thing. Yes, Gogeta and Gotenks are made from the same type of fusion, however, not from the same beings. Take a look at Vegeto, it was stated the rivarly somehow gave Vegeto even more power. Going by the logic, it's not the potaras that give the power but the characters themselves. If a fusion between Goku and Vegeta has a rivarly boost, then it screws everything up. I don't think Gotenks and Gogeta are the exact same type of fusion. Even if there was no such thing as rivarly boost, the power up could always work like that:
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Base x Base=Fusion
That would mean
Goku: 100
Vegeta: 100
Gogeta: 100x100=10,000
Goten: 20
Trunks: 20
Gotenks: 20x20=400
Or it could work like that
Goku: 100
Vegeta: 100
Gogeta: 100+100x10+(rivalry boost)= 3,000
Goten: 20
Trunks: 20
Gotenks: 20+20x10=400
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You see, there is the problem. It seems in a fusion personalty matters, the way the two characters have a chemistry between them seems to matter also. We don't know how fusion works at all, we can only base ourselves from their power, not calculations since they could work in a lot of different ways.
Also, no one can tell if SSJ4 Trunks would be stronger than SSJ4 Goku since no one knows the multiplier. Just imagine if the multiplier from SSJ to SSJ2 is 50x and from SSJ3 to SSJ4 it's 10x, that would make something completely different. Some view Goku about 10x stronger than Goten while others view him as 5x stronger. There is also the fact some says Goku is a MSSJ and not Goten. Let's suppose I'm a Goku fanboy, it goes like this:
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Goku: 1000
MSSJ Goku: 25,000
SSJ2 Goku: 12,500,000
Goten: 100
SSJ Goten: 1,000
SSJ2 Goten: 50,000
SSJ3 Goten: 1,000,000
SSJ4 Goten: 10,000,000
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See, and you can argue with a fanboy for hours, there is just no way to prove he is completely wrong since there aren't any stated numbers, we don't know for sure if Goten and Trunks are MSSJ and we don't know if Goku's multiplier from SSJ to SSJ2 would be higher then their multiplier. That's the problem I have with that.