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Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-12-2008

Really doesn't matter. Could be logarithmic, fractional. Fact is we do not know and with a single measurment between two unknown power levels, the kiri meter is basically an invalid red herring to such a debate. I'll be honest, I used to be an advocate of a multiplier around 3-5x, but even then I refused to use the kiri meter because it's vague and undefined in its measurment system.

A further problem is that it's never stated to be his maximum power. Given that it's a demonstration, it might not be. But given that he also then overfeeds Yakkon, it could mean that it is his maximum power. Or else that Yakkon is simply much weaker and that a fraction of his power was required to destroy Yakkon.

Or hell, it could be that the measurment is from his MSSJ state. If that is so, then the additive would be much bigger than 150 million, and thus his base would also be much higher, and this would then follow on to mean that Cell was far stronger than 60% more than Freeza. And that shoots down your theory, and enforces the additive one. I argue for none of these points, only that the kiri meter is unreliable and should not be used in serious debate.

Additionally, it's worth noting that the additive system can easily result in high numbers too. Take MSSJ Goku. His 50% demonstration to Karin was arguably stronger than Super Vegeta, whose own ascended form is in turn much stronger than the basic SSJ. As a result we get that full power MSSJ Goku 2x> Super Vegeta > SSJ. As such, reversing it, you get 150,000,000 < 250,000,000 < 500,000,000. Thus, an additive system used with your kiri reading means that he's now three times as powerful, thus 500,000,000 + 500,000,000/2 = 750,000,000. And curiously enough, that makes his base stronger than Freeza. And also means that Cell would have been at least 5x stronger than Freeza. See, kiri can work against you as well.

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Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 272 Rep Power: 2	Re: SSJ Zenkai yes or no? Really doesn't matter. Could be logarithmic, fractional. Fact is we do not know and with a single measurment between two unknown power levels, the kiri meter is basically an invalid red herring to such a debate. I'll be honest, I used to be an advocate of a multiplier around 3-5x, but even then I refused to use the kiri meter because it's vague and undefined in its measurment system. A further problem is that it's never stated to be his maximum power. Given that it's a demonstration, it might not be. But given that he also then overfeeds Yakkon, it could mean that it is his maximum power. Or else that Yakkon is simply much weaker and that a fraction of his power was required to destroy Yakkon. Or hell, it could be that the measurment is from his MSSJ state. If that is so, then the additive would be much bigger than 150 million, and thus his base would also be much higher, and this would then follow on to mean that Cell was far stronger than 60% more than Freeza. And that shoots down your theory, and enforces the additive one. I argue for none of these points, only that the kiri meter is unreliable and should not be used in serious debate. Additionally, it's worth noting that the additive system can easily result in high numbers too. Take MSSJ Goku. His 50% demonstration to Karin was arguably stronger than Super Vegeta, whose own ascended form is in turn much stronger than the basic SSJ. As a result we get that full power MSSJ Goku 2x> Super Vegeta > SSJ. As such, reversing it, you get 150,000,000 < 250,000,000 < 500,000,000. Thus, an additive system used with your kiri reading means that he's now three times as powerful, thus 500,000,000 + 500,000,000/2 = 750,000,000. And curiously enough, that makes his base stronger than Freeza. And also means that Cell would have been at least 5x stronger than Freeza. See, kiri can work against you as well.