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Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-12-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRP76

There's a billion things that fly against that "if they can do something, why didn't they?" question.

For instance:

You can't explain why they didn't summon Shenron three times and just wish for immortality for Piccolo, Goku, and Vegeta before the Androids arrived, either. Doesn't mean they didn't choose to do something other than that.

And numerous people have given multiple reasons why Kaioken might never have been used again.

And the "Additive Theory" doesn't work - AT ALL.

Here's why:

Goku fights Yakon in base. He has the advantage. Yakon is read (stated) at 800. Goku goes Super Saiyan. He is read (stated) at 3,000.

3,000/800 = 3.75 For simplicity's sake (and since Goku was winning), we can estimate his base at 1,000. Super Saiyan is then 3x base.

Here's where the "Additive Theory" goes completely nuts-up:

If you're "adding" 150,000,000 for Super Saiyan (and that's giving the benefit of the doubt; it can NOT be this high, but it's a nice round number), and the sum of base + this additive comes out to 3x base, we get this equation:

x + 150,000,000 = 3x

or,

x + 150,000,000 = x + x + x

We subtract x from both sides:

150,000,000 = x + x

or,

2x = 150,000,000

Divide each side by 2:

x = 75,000,000

That means that base Goku (Buu saga) = 75,000,000.

Since we've got the base, AND the additive value, add them up:

Base Goku (75,000,000) + Super Saiyan "Additive" (150,000,000) = Super Saiyan Goku.

Ummmm..........ready to see how this is wrong?

We get Super Saiyan Goku (Buu saga) = 225,000,000.

Ummm, DUH! This can NOT be. He would be weaker than Android 18, for God's sake! That's only 1.5x stronger than he was on Namek....you mean to tell me Complete Cell is only about 60% stronger than Frieza? Oh, HELL NO! Simply adding up his components disproves that right away.

This is because you make a single assumption that could be entirely wrong. You assume that the measurement scale on a kiri meter is linear. Who's to say it's not exponential or factorial? There are scales of measurment in the scientific world that operate in much the same way, I believe. With only a single instance of declared measurments from that meter, it's worthless.

Seriously, when you can explain why a 3x multiplier makes more sense than using the Kaio-Ken at a level he knows he can safely and efficiently handle that is much greater, then sure, maybe I'll consider it.

The only reason you protest so greatly is that you're used to large power jumps thanks to the zenkais and techniques of the earlier sagas. But with those eliminated, there's no logical reason for training to accelerate their power levels so quickly.

But I will say one thing, at least you argue for a constant multiplier. The people arguing for a decreasing multiplier are ignoring the entire point of having a multiplier in the first place.