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Old 05-12-2008   #169 (permalink)
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Default Re: SSJ Zenkai yes or no?

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Originally Posted by SRP76 View Post
No, Goku didn't use any Kaiokenx20. Did he rev it up like he HAD to when he used it? No.

And he couldn't even blink before an attack hit him before; now, he suddenly can rev a Kaiokenx20 that fast? And he's supposedly not stronger? How in hell did he get all that extra speed, then?!

And Frieza wasn't that weak. If he was less than 80% maximum, he wouldn't be able to hold his pumped-up form anymore.
He doesn't have to rev it up. We see from the manga that Goku had been using KK10 the whole time in the fight with Freeza without us being aware, because it's entirely momentary.

I think Freeza really was that weak. Being pumped up doesn't necessarily mean anything. If he's still forcing through the maximum power he can muster at the time, I imagine he'd still be buffed. It's like with muscles, when they get flexed, they get more solid and bulkier, regardless of the power of the person. And even if they get injured and aren't able to use the muscle to full capacity, if they push it to the most that they can at the time, it's generally going to bulk up a bit.

I do think that perhaps Goku got a little stronger, sure. But I do not think that he got a totally massive Zenkai. If he more than doubled his power, then the multiplier for SSJ would become spurious as compared to that of the Kaio-Kenx20. Personally, I think he jumped from about 3,000,000 to around 4,500,000. That'd top him out at 90,000,000 with KKx20, more than enough to manage the near miss against battle worn Freeza.

I mean, if Goku can handle 10x, and we know he can, then a heartbeat of power enhancing him from 50mil to 500mil would do the job much better than SSJ enhancing him to 150mil. And considering that with a 20x, which we've seen he can hold, he'd be able to top 1b. There'd be no point to SSJ if the multiplier is much lower than 10x, and still not a great point below 20x, since we see that Goku can actually handle 20x relatively well.
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