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Kaboom · 05-11-2008

That just seems like over complicating it, to me. There's confusion because Kaio-Ken and "Kaio-Ken x 2" were named at different points ("KKx2" was actually only said once, I believe), but they're the same thing. Look at how Goku stacked up against Vegeta.

Vegeta was at 18,000. Goku at 8000.

Goku's Kaio-Ken/"Kaio-Ken x 2," putting him at 16,000, made him stronger, but Vegeta is still beating him. It wasn't until using the Kaio-Ken x 3 (putting him at 24,000) that he's actually winning the fight. If KK and KKx2 were separate things, and worked the way most of you are suggesting (with KKx2 being triple his base strength) then KKx2 should have put him above Vegeta's level, and he should have started winning then. It didn't, and he didn't.

KK and KKx2 are the same thing. Toriyama just ended up having two different names for it, either by absent-mindedness or to try to better demonstrate how the technique worked. Try to explain it any other way, and all the later numbers and levels are completely uprooted and make no sense. Seeing it being read into so unnecessarily deeply when it's really so simple is... kinda annoying.

05-11-2008	#17 (permalink)
Kaboom (11) Student of Lord Kaio Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 183 Rep Power: 23	Re: How can the Kaioken times three exist? That just seems like over complicating it, to me. There's confusion because Kaio-Ken and "Kaio-Ken x 2" were named at different points ("KKx2" was actually only said once, I believe), but they're the same thing. Look at how Goku stacked up against Vegeta. Vegeta was at 18,000. Goku at 8000. Goku's Kaio-Ken/"Kaio-Ken x 2," putting him at 16,000, made him stronger, but Vegeta is still beating him. It wasn't until using the Kaio-Ken x 3 (putting him at 24,000) that he's actually winning the fight. If KK and KKx2 were separate things, and worked the way most of you are suggesting (with KKx2 being triple his base strength) then KKx2 should have put him above Vegeta's level, and he should have started winning then. It didn't, and he didn't. KK and KKx2 are the same thing. Toriyama just ended up having two different names for it, either by absent-mindedness or to try to better demonstrate how the technique worked. Try to explain it any other way, and all the later numbers and levels are completely uprooted and make no sense. Seeing it being read into so unnecessarily deeply when it's really so simple is... kinda annoying.