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Originally Posted by Majuub
Well, can I just hear your explanation?
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Actually, I didn't mean to write that answer for that question. My bad.
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Originally Posted by Majuub
I didn't say he didn't, I say the SSJ was a different situation. You're talking like they could do that everyday but they can't. It's the only situation where they can exceed their limits, not the lmits of their base from because they don't get stronger at base. SSJ just drastically multiplies one's power, it's not like they anyone can exceed their limits.
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Like I said, he pushed him beyond his limits no matter how you try to word it.
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Originally Posted by Majuub
You saw what happenend when Tienshinhan was doing the Kikhoho on Cell? After a coupe of times he fell unconscious because he hadn't more energy left. Even if by that time, hand to hand he was much weaker tha Cell the attack still held Cell back for some time. It doesn't mean Tienshinhan is anywhere near Cell in terms of power. This attack just works differently because as you can see, it isn't a normal Ki attack like the Kamehameha or the Masenko, if Goku fires a Kamehameha on a blast much stronger than his, his kamehameha will just be destroyed by the blast. Tien doesn't even fire a blast like the others, he completely uses all his energy to do the Kikoho. Tienshinhan never got close to SSJ like power, his Kikoho deflecting Buu's attack was something totally different. I doubt any other attack could have the same effect. Honestly, aside from Tienshinhan, did you see anyone do that?
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None of what you said made any sense. All I said was that Tien's Tri-Beam was stronger then Buu's ki blast... unless there's another reason why the Tri-Beam destroyed it.
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Originally Posted by Majuub
You don't get it. That won't reveal anything. If you say ''It took a universal Genki-Dama to destroy Yi Xing Long'' and use that to compare him to Vegeto, it won't bring anything since neither of them would have survive the bomb. I'll give you an exemple, let's say there was a nuclear explosion, man A died from it and man B wasn't touched by it. Now you say, man A was probably stronger than man B because it took a nuclear explosion to kill him. That doesn't prove nothing since they would both die easily by the explosion. Same for Vegeto and Yi Xing Long, they would both die without resisting much, that's not a way to compare them.
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What the hell are you talking about? Like I said, I didn't bring up the Universal Genki Dama to compare any two characters.
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That's not what I mean. I took exemple from the beginning to the end of DBZ. I don't see how that can be weak. From the beginning to the end that rule never changed. Even for Vegeto and Shin Buu who were the two strongest characters in DBZ, that same rule still applies. It won't change just because you want it to change. Yi Xing Long showed his full power against Gogeta, if he was more powerful than what they thought he would have at least put up some kind of threat against Gogeta but he didn't. If Gogeta's full power wasn't powerful enough to destroy him, it means Yi Xing Long has enough power to at least damage Gogeta. Just like Cell had enough to damage Gohan, just like Frieza had enough to damage Goku etc. Yi Xing Long hadn't that kind of power, if it's your last argument, sorry but that isn't an argument. It just means Gogeta never used his full power. You can't just say he was stronger than what they thought since he never showed he had some kind of power that could put up a resistence to Gogeta. It's not because they are the two strongest characters everything will change, from the beginning to the end of DBZ nothing changed, even throughout GT that rule still applied. If it has somehow change you must give an explanation, otherwise it's an opinion with nothing to back it up.
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Did Vegito even try to kill Buu? Like I said, comparing earlier and weaker characters is lame. It's like comparing children to adults in terms of power. And you're right, it is my opinion..... and I have plenty to back it up. The fact that everyone was shocked he survived. The fact that Gogeta was confident his blast would kill him, and it didn't. The fact that no one brought up the fact that Gogeta didn't use his full power. The fact that all Gogeta said was "But no matter how much you struggle, it's no use!" and, "With this next blast you're going to be obliterated for sure". The fact that he didn't say 'I didn't use my full power" or "I'll put more power into the next one", is all the "back up" I need. Do you realize how everything that was said or wasn't said, and everything that actually happened is in my favor? Probably not, but that's ok.
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I know, I place SSJ4 Gogeta pretty high but for me, the whole DB universe is populated by weaklings, so 1,000,000,000,000,000 weaklings against SSJ4 Gogeta are still weaklings.
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I'm pretty sure the entire universe has more life forms than that, and I'm pretty sure not all of them are weak. Again just ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Vegerotto
Nothing says Gohan lost any power at all during the 7 year time of peace between Cell and Buu
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