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I like how you haven't even told me what chapter these things are stated in.
1-No, you have to provide PROOF that Kuwabara's sword cuts trhough "anything". You can't make an arguement saying just because it has than it can. Seaman stated that Kuwabara was the man they were looking for, who can "cut dimensions". The translation of Jugen Tou is "Dimension sword". The Kekkei is a "dimensional barrier".
So...when did they say it universally cuts anything...?
And Sensui beat the mess out of Kuwabara, alon with Hiei and Kurama. He has just as many injuries as them: Manga Fox: Yu Yu Hakusho Vol.17 Ch.001 Online Manga Scans
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I already said the chapter was in the final volume. But I've provided the chapter below for you. You still have yet to post any scans of Sensui taking a Jigen Tou hit. So far, your scans only showed him avoiding it, which shows he couldn't take it. The Jigen Tou could cut through beings, regardless of how strong they were: a property Super Buu's ki didn't have. Sensui was only ever shown
dodging Kuwabara's sword. Kuwabara couldn't hit him with the sword. Sensui won through superior speed and overal power. Kuwabara was confident that if he hit Sensui with the sword, he could easily take an arm off. Judging by Sensui's reaction to the Jigen Tou, I'd say he thought the same.
If Sensui was so strong and could tank Kuwabara's Jigen Tou, why was he only shown avoiding it? Why didn't he just tank it like he did to Hiei's sword and take out Kuwabara more efficiently? He could only avoid it, and then counter before Kuwabara could hit him. To tell you the truth, I have yet to see a translation literally stating: "The Jigen Tou can cut through anything". But Super Buu's Ki was shown to be stoppable. The Jigen Tou was not shown to be stoppable. EVERYTHING that the Jigen Tou made contact with was cut, so the manga portrayed it to be unstoppable. A statement seems a little useless if it was
shown by feats to cut through anything.
The Jigen Tou has similarities to Buu's Dimensional Kiai, but it also has some stark differences that make it uncomparable. Super Buu's ki could not cause dimensions to collapse, like the Jigen Tou. Super Buu's ki was shown to be stoppable, unlike the Jigen Tou. All Super Buu's Ki did was make a temporary tunnel in a dimension. This makes it more comparable to Itsuki's dimensional capabilities, in terms of effect. I'm not getting involved the debate over whether or not Super Buu can break the Kekkai. All I'm saying is that Super Buu's Dimensional Kiai cannot be compared to the Jigen Tou. Although the Jigen Tou was able to create tunnels between dimensions, it was capable of doing more, as it was a very special power.
P.S. No accurate translation has ever called the Kekkai a "dimensional barrier". Otherwise, it would have been called "Jigen Kekkai". Accurate translations include: "barrier", "force field" and "periphery field", but I have never heard it being referred to as a "dimensional barrier" in an accurate translation. Sensui was looking for someone who had the "cutting power" to "rip apart entire dimensions". Such power could not only cut through dimensions, but anything in them: people and objects. Mitarai wasn't sure Kuwabara was the one, even when he was making those initial dimensional distortions and cuts. Probably because he saw Itsuki make similar dimensional distortions. Mitarai himself also said that nothing could break out of his dimension. It was only after Mitarai saw his entire dimension disappear with one stroke, and also saw that he was cut in addition to the dimension (proving that it didn't just cut dimensions) that he thought for sure Kuwabara was the one who could break the Kekkai.
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2-Again, what chapter...? I've searched all over the plave to find groups fanslating YYH and mangafox has been relatively faithfull (ch. 165). When do they say God wills them to happen?
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Also, the Rosat barrier is apparently MUCH stronger since it repaired itself IMMEDIATELY after Boo fired his lazer and the SDF said it would take more than a weak to repair the damage to the Makai barrier and Kekkei.
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Mangfox faithful? The translation that completely left out the part about Seikouki being able to merge the user's Ki with nature? That statement was very significant to the original concept Togashi-sensei based Seikouki on. I don't call a translation that omits original material and makes up new material faithful. It's the number one reason I don't use it and opt to use either Viz or the original raws. As for your request, the chapter with the God's Will reference is in
Volume 19, Chapter 7. Titled:
"All or nothing". It's one of my personal favourites, as I am a Christian, and I feel it gives God His Glory. Plus, it is just very entertaining.
It also provides a good reason as to why there were no natural tunnels to Reikai. In the YYH Manga, artificial tunnels to Reikai could be made in seconds. On the other hand, artificial tunnels to Makai of a similar size took hours to make. If the natural dimensional distortions were due to the "dimensional strength" of Ningenkai/Makai, then there should've been many times more natural tunnels to Reikai, as its dimensional fabric was easier to separate and would thus be, by your logic, "weaker". The fact that there are no natural tunnels to Reikai shows the error in the logic of natural dimensional distortions being due to the "dimensional strength" of the realms. The whole point of Chapter 7 was that it called into question whether there were any random events or even free choice in the YYH world, as even seemingly random events are in fact all a part of God's Will. The "God's Will" is cheap, much like the "wizard" from the Simpson's Xena. But it makes sense of the natural dimensional distortions and other such unexplained phenomenon in the YYH world. It also honours of one of my favourite quotes from Alpha Centauri regarding Probability Mechanics: "Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, but the dice are loaded."
Also, the dimensional fabric of Ningenkai was shown to "repair itself". Hiei also said it was impossible for B classes to access Makai from Ningenkai. Itsuki could make a hole in Ningenkai, but not the Kekkai. According to the logic you used above, Kekkai >>>>>> Ningenkai (of both DBZ and YYH) and ROSAT, which is way too simplified and contradictory to be of any use as proof. I don't believe the statement about Kekkai >>> Ningenkai/ROSAT. I can't and more importantly
won't make a call on that. All I'm saying is that
there's more to the dynamics of dimensions that the simple and sometimes contradicted logic you are using. ROSAT didn't repair itself as though it was a special ability of ROSAT: Super Buu's hole was merely temporary, and the dimensional fabric of ROSAT and the DBZ world re-stabilised naturally. The reason it took a week for the Reikai forces to repair the dimensional fabric of Makai and Ningenkai is because, unlike Super Buu's hole, those holes were permanent and covered a space over 2km in size (the size of the whole tunnel between the two holes). As for the Kekkai, even normal reiki was shown to be useless against it (as Sensui knew people who could break barriers, but could not break the Kekkai), and only those who built the Kekkai could repair it using the spell you mentioned earlier. This would make it very hard to work on. Those are factors you should have taken into account.