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Default Re: SSJ2 Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku (Surpassed Limits)

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Except he does have regeneration powers that he got from Rage Shenron. I won't say as ridiculous, but with someone as strong as Omega, they'd be border line at least. If you watch it, that's what happens after Gogeta blasts him with the Big Bang Kamehameha, he reforms himself.
Not only must he have regenerative abilities such as Chibi Buu but he would have to be much stronger. We agree over the fact Chibi Buu is about even with SSJ3 Goku. We agree Goku was strong enough to wipe him out. We agree the difference of power between Gogeta and Yi Xing Long was greater than the difference between Goku and Chibi Buu. We also agree Yi Xing Long doesn't posess regenerative abilites such as Chibi Buu's. With all that, I don't see why he would survive a full power attack. There could be only 2 reasons.

1. Gogeta didn't use his full power.

2. He is much stronger than what he showed




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Only difference is I wasn't talking about a child. People get pushed to their limits and beyond all the time. Training in order to further ones limits is fine and dandy, but we're talking about while in a fight. You're not gonna ask your opponent to stop so you can train. Goku would not have gone SSJ had he not been pushed beyond his limits. Did his traning help, yes. But would he have been able to just stand there and go SSJ, no. Frieza pushed him.
The SSJ situation was rather different. Goku got this power boost because of the rage, the same for Gohan. It's because of their emotions. Also, Goku going transformations are something special. We all agree base Goku can't reach the same power as SSJ Goku simply because he is not strong enough. Now, SSJ multiplies the power about 50x. Not only does he exceed the limits but the transformations just puts Goku on another level. Keep in mind, when he reached SSJ for the first time, his power at base didn't grow at all, it stayed the same, only the transformation made him stronger. We can't really say he exceeded his limits since his limits at base were still the same.




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If my guess is lol, then what do you think?
I think your guess is lol. Tienshinhan destroyed Buu's attack with the Kikoho, that attack was meant to kill a weakened Chou Gohan who is still probably more than 100x stronger than Tienshinhan. If Tienshinhan's blast was more powerful than an attack strong enough to kill Chou Gohan, it means Tienshinhan reached SSJ3 like power which I severly doubt is true.






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The Gogeta part is true. It was never stated he did or didn't use full power. We just disagree on that. But as far as Goku, I'm only gonna say it one more time. Goku says, and I quote, "That's why now, I need to gather Genki from throughout the universe!" Now let's do some word play here. You once tried to use this quote against me. Here is the meaning of the word 'throughout':

through·out 1.in or to every part of; everywhere in: They searched throughout the house. 2.from the beginning to the end of:

Now according to you, they played a game of pick and choose. You said they only gathered energy from the planets they had visited, which is wrong anyway cause those planets were only in their galaxy. King Kai calls on the other Kai's to let all the people in their different quadrants of the universe(not galaxy) hear Goku's plea. Now according to the definition, that would be "everywhere" or "every part of", meaning every planet, which in turn would mean every life form. Now having said that, as I said before they even showed people in jail giving their energy toward Goku. It's all stated and shown in every aspect you can think of. And that's where you argue your opinion versus fact. On top of that as I said before, Goku also says "People of the universe! Share your Genki with me". I think that in and of itself says it all.
We don't have to argue over that as it's irrelevant. Even if that Genki-Dama was 100x stronger than Yi Xing Long, it brings nothing to the discussion. That Genki-Dama was extremely powerful, it could have been even stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta who is probably stronger than SSJ2 Vegeto by a good margain. It just proves any character is too weak to survive that amount of power. It doesn't prove SSJ2 Vegeto>Yi Xing Long, nor the opposite.


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Lol, not just because I want it, but because he's strong enough to.
Honestly, did it ever happen once a character much weaker than the other survive the a full power attack from the stronger character? If it never happened once you can't just say it happens now without anything to back it up. I don't see any reason for Yi Xing Long to be able to resist that kind of power.

1. He hasn't extreme regenerative abilities.

2. Gogeta was much stronger than him.

3. It never ever happened a characer much weaker survived the full power of a character much stronger.

You remember when Vegeto was fighting Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed)? Shin Buu knew he was going to die by the hands of Vegeto, he was scared and desperate, he absorbed him. Now, Buu is the vilain with the best regeneration technics in the whole DB universe and yet he was scared because Vegeto was going to kill him. Judging by the fight I doubt Vegeto would have used even 50% of his power to erase him, the fight was extremely one sided, just like the fight was one sided between Gogeta and Yi Xing Long. Shin Buu has much better regenerative abilites than Yi Xing Long and he was going to get killed by Vegeto and he knew it, but Gogeta didn't kill a being without ridiculous regenerative abilities?? You could at least try and explain why instead of just saying ''He is strong enough'' that's not an argument, that's a baseless assumption.

I can state you times where two opponents were about even and the one a little stronger killed the other who was a little weaker or at least had the power to do so. I will also state moments where stronger characters killed weaker characters but the gap wasn't as big as the one between Gogeta and Yi Xing Long

Piccolo killed Raditz who was stronger(Yes, it was a blast through the heart)

Goku had enough power to kill Nappa

SSJ Goku had enough power to kill Frieza

SSJ2 Gohan had enough power to finish Cell without his final blast

SSJ3 Goku had enough power to kill Chibi Buu

Chou Gohan had enough power to kill Shin Buu

SSJ3 Gotenks had enough power to kill Shin Buu

Vegeto had enough power to kill Shin Buu

Vegeta had enough power to kill Semi-perfect Cell

???Gogeta has not enough power to kill Yi Xing Long with one fully powered blast???





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And I absolutely, wholeheartedly, 100% disagree with that preposterous correlation. It's not even feasible.
Doesn't matter, I think the power of SSJ4 Gogeta is comparable to the power of the whole DB universe. Obviously if Gogeta did an attack at full power, it would destroy any being in one shot.
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