I'm gonna start by saying I honestly hate repeating myself over and over(not saying you like to), but I'm gonna answer these as best I can, because my head is starting to hurt.
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That's not my point, Ill try to make you understand what I mean. Let's use cars as an exemple(Yes, it sounds weird) Let's say there is car A and B, car B is 2x faster than car A. If car A travels 2km car B will travel 4km, if car A travels 2,000,000km, car B will travel 4,000,000km. It's not because the numbers are bigger that the difference doesn't remain the same. It's basic maths. Let's say I have a power of 10 and you have a power of 20, it doesn't seem we have too much difference in terms of power since we could say I'm only 10 units stronger than you, but in fact I am 2x stronger. The difference between 1 and 2 is the same difference between 1,000 and 2,000 or 10,000 or 20,000. If we use multiplications rather than addition it sounds clearer. Even there, I can use stronger characters if you like and nothing changes. Goku was dead even with Chibi Buu, both him and Vegeta said at 100% he was strong enough to kill him, their difference in terms of power wasn't great at all, in fact maybe there wasn't any but still a 100% Goku was enough to wipe him out. You see, Goku wouldn't have acted like Vegeta and forced an ultimate attack because he was desperate to win, he would have just blasted will all he has and Chibi Buu would have died. Keep in mind, we're talking about Buu, the being with the most ridiculous regenerative abilities in the whole Dragon Ball universe. Yi Xing Long doesn't posess such abilities and the difference in power between him and Gogeta was much greater than the difference between Goku and Chibi Buu. Going by that logic, it would have been completely impossible for him to survive the full power of Gogeta's most powerful attack.
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Except he does have regeneration powers that he got from Rage Shenron. I won't say as ridiculous, but with someone as strong as Omega, they'd be border line at least. If you watch it, that's what happens after Gogeta blasts him with the Big Bang Kamehameha, he reforms himself.
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Well, there is a little difference. You see, base Goku has the potential of SSJ3 Goku witihin him, only he isn't strong enough to go that far yet. He has to train his body a lot in order to reach that kind of power. The same goes for an olympic champion, I believe these guys can run at about 40km/h, if you let an enormous dog chase after them while they're kids and aren't trained yet, the dog will catch them and bite them, even if they have a great potential there are still not there. That's what we call push back the limits. At first Goku's full power was at 416 and he couldn't exceed that even if anyone pushed him to do so no matter what Goku does he can't exceed this. He has to train in order to put his base power higher and to push his limits further. It's like with Gohan, even if he had the latent potential within him it had to be unlocked, even if Gohan wanted with all his heart or was about to die he couldn't reach that power because his limits are set, he has to find a way to push them further.
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Only difference is I wasn't talking about a child. People get pushed to their limits and beyond all the time. Training in order to further ones limits is fine and dandy, but we're talking about while in a fight. You're not gonna ask your opponent to stop so you can train. Goku would not have gone SSJ had he not been pushed beyond his limits. Did his traning help, yes. But would he have been able to just stand there and go SSJ, no. Frieza pushed him.
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In fact, I would say the opposite. When they don't use their full power they don't say it. I see them bragging about using full power a lot of time. Like with Frieza saying he is at 50% and then at 100%. Vegeta saying Goku at full power was strong enough to obliterate Chibi Buu. Piccolo saying Shin Buu will use his full power against Gotenks now he that he is angry. There are many more other occasions when they say they use their full power. You know why they say it when they use it? It's because it doesn't happen often, when something rarely occurs it's obvious you're going to say it's happening. Gogeta didn't say nothing special because it was nothing special. It's not like characters use their full power on any given occasion, they'll use it as a last resort or when they're pissed off. For me, Gogeta should have said he used his full power not the opposite. Because chances are more on the side he wasn't using his full power than they were on the side he was using his full power.
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We just totally disagree on this. It's gonna keep going nowhere.
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Well, in the book it was quite the opposite. It was shown not everyone gave their energy when Vegeta asked for it. Anyways, that's beside the point. It's rather irrelevant. If that blast was so much powerful it means no one could have resisted it, so it's rather pointless to discuss that.
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I was talking about Goku, not Vegeta.
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I'll correct myself, it held back Buu's attack, in fact it destroyed it. Your wild guess is lol. No further comment.
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If my guess is lol, then what do you think?
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Lol, you were drunk. It doesn't mind, it didn't hurt me nor anything, it wasn't cool to be insulted and all that, but I'm cool with that. I'm stating my opinions because we debate. If all these facts were stated we wouldn't be arguing. It was never stated Gogeta used his full power, it was never stated he didn't, it was never stated everyone gave their energy, it was not stated not everyone gave their energy. Almost nothing is stated, you quote and say what you think the statement means and we don't agree over that.
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The Gogeta part is true. It was never stated he did or didn't use full power. We just disagree on that. But as far as Goku, I'm only gonna say it one more time. Goku says, and I quote, "That's why now, I need to gather Genki from throughout the universe!" Now let's do some word play here. You once tried to use this quote against me. Here is the meaning of the word 'throughout':
through·out
1.in or to every part of; everywhere in: They searched throughout the house. 2.from the beginning to the end of:
Now according to you, they played a game of pick and choose. You said they only gathered energy from the planets they had visited, which is wrong anyway cause those planets were only in their galaxy. King Kai calls on the other Kai's to let all the people in their different quadrants of the universe(not galaxy) hear Goku's plea. Now according to the definition, that would be "everywhere" or "every part of", meaning every planet, which in turn would mean every life form. Now having said that, as I said before they even showed people in jail giving their energy toward Goku. It's all stated and shown in every aspect you can think of. And that's where you argue your opinion versus fact. On top of that as I said before, Goku also says "People of the universe! Share your Genki with me". I think that in and of itself says it all.
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No one ever did that in DB/Z/GT and yet Yi Xing Long breaks this just because you wan it??
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Lol, not just because I want it, but because he's strong enough to.
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Vegeto's power was big enough to be compared to the whole world's, I think it was even stronger, SSJ4 Gogeta's power is also comparable to the power of the whole universe. Unless you completely disagree with that...
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And I absolutely, wholeheartedly, 100% disagree with that preposterous correlation. It's not even feasible.