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I think it's unreasonable because it's like comparing children to adults in terms of power. It just doesn't make any sense in my opinion, thats all.
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That's not my point, Ill try to make you understand what I mean. Let's use cars as an exemple(Yes, it sounds weird) Let's say there is car A and B, car B is 2x faster than car A. If car A travels 2km car B will travel 4km, if car A travels 2,000,000km, car B will travel 4,000,000km. It's not because the numbers are bigger that the difference doesn't remain the same. It's basic maths. Let's say I have a power of 10 and you have a power of 20, it doesn't seem we have too much difference in terms of power since we could say I'm only 10 units stronger than you, but in fact I am 2x stronger. The difference between 1 and 2 is the same difference between 1,000 and 2,000 or 10,000 or 20,000. If we use multiplications rather than addition it sounds clearer. Even there, I can use stronger characters if you like and nothing changes. Goku was dead even with Chibi Buu, both him and Vegeta said at 100% he was strong enough to kill him, their difference in terms of power wasn't great at all, in fact maybe there wasn't any but still a 100% Goku was enough to wipe him out. You see, Goku wouldn't have acted like Vegeta and forced an ultimate attack because he was desperate to win, he would have just blasted will all he has and Chibi Buu would have died. Keep in mind, we're talking about Buu, the being with the most ridiculous regenerative abilities in the whole Dragon Ball universe. Yi Xing Long doesn't posess such abilities and the difference in power between him and Gogeta was much greater than the difference between Goku and Chibi Buu. Going by that logic, it would have been completely impossible for him to survive the full power of Gogeta's most powerful attack.
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You're actually right on this one..... because I worded it wrong. I know that if Vegeta was asked to just do a Final Flash for no reason, with all his power, it would be nowhere near as strong if he were in a life and death battle and was pushed to his limit. I don't see that being very hard to understand. Everyone gets stronger when their adrenaline is pumping, especially if you fear for your life. As far as no one ever exceeding 100%, isn't that what happens when Goku first goes SSJ? I mean by your logic Goku never fought at 100% until he was a SSJ4. People can always go beyond their limits. Like lifting weights, you can max out at 200 pounds, a few years later be up to 600 pounds. Essentially you erase your previous 100% max and replace it with a higher one. It's a normal and common occurrence in most sports.
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Well, there is a little difference. You see, base Goku has the potential of SSJ3 Goku witihin him, only he isn't strong enough to go that far yet. He has to train his body a lot in order to reach that kind of power. The same goes for an olympic champion, I believe these guys can run at about 40km/h, if you let an enormous dog chase after them while they're kids and aren't trained yet, the dog will catch them and bite them, even if they have a great potential there are still not there. That's what we call push back the limits. At first Goku's full power was at 416 and he couldn't exceed that even if anyone pushed him to do so no matter what Goku does he can't exceed this. He has to train in order to put his base power higher and to push his limits further. It's like with Gohan, even if he had the latent potential within him it had to be unlocked, even if Gohan wanted with all his heart or was about to die he couldn't reach that power because his limits are set, he has to find a way to push them further.
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What I'm saying is exactly what happend. Gogeta says "I'll send you to the Next World with this blast". Then afterwards when Shenron was still alive, he says, "You're a persistent one, huh?". Then he says "But no matter how much you struggle, it's no use!" So yes, Shenron resisted. He survived the blast. My whole thing, which is where we differ, is that he would have said he didn't use his full power, or Shenron would have mentioned it, or either Goku or Vegeta would have mentioned it when the fusion ended and they split, but no one even hints at it. I also think Gogeta would have said something about putting more power into the next one, which he didn't do either. I tried explaining full power versus being pushed to ones limits and beyond, but whatever. We just see this differently, except I'm basing my opinions on stated facts.
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In fact, I would say the opposite. When they don't use their full power they don't say it. I see them bragging about using full power a lot of time. Like with Frieza saying he is at 50% and then at 100%. Vegeta saying Goku at full power was strong enough to obliterate Chibi Buu. Piccolo saying Shin Buu will use his full power against Gotenks now he that he is angry. There are many more other occasions when they say they use their full power. You know why they say it when they use it? It's because it doesn't happen often, when something rarely occurs it's obvious you're going to say it's happening. Gogeta didn't say nothing special because it was nothing special. It's not like characters use their full power on any given occasion, they'll use it as a last resort or when they're pissed off. For me, Gogeta should have said he used his full power not the opposite. Because chances are more on the side he wasn't using his full power than they were on the side he was using his full power.
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Bringing up Vegeta asking the people of Earth, versus Goku asking the people throughout the universe is another ridiculous comparison. You saying "not everyone gave it" is again your opinion versus a stated fact. They even showed bad guys in jail giving their energy. You're right in the sense it wasn't forced, but they absolutely gave it willingly. That's what I believe based on a stated fact, on what was shown and on what was said. I never said anything about the Spirit Bomb killing SSJ3 Vegito, just for the record. No matter what, power from everyone in the universe is gonna be stronger then SSJ4 Gogeta. That shouldn't be hard to comprehend.
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Well, in the book it was quite the opposite. It was shown not everyone gave their energy when Vegeta asked for it. Anyways, that's beside the point. It's rather irrelevant. If that blast was so much powerful it means no one could have resisted it, so it's rather pointless to discuss that.
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I never said you couldn't use your so called "canon evidence" in this discussion. I just think it's funny that you wanna bring it up and claim it now after all this time. Whatever makes you happy man. Also, my point was that Tien's blast didn't do anything to Super Buu, so I'm wondering how it held him back? You ask how Tien's Tri-Beam was able to destroy Super Buu's ki blast? I'm gonna take a wild guess and say because it was stronger.
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I'll correct myself, it held back Buu's attack, in fact it destroyed it. Your wild guess is lol. No further comment.
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I'm not gonna lie, I was pretty drunk when I wrote that response last night, sorry I hurt your feelings and made you cry. The difference between our arguments, is that you base yours on your own opinions and make ridiculous comparisons. On the other hand, I quote the anime, use stated facts and actual events that happened during the actual fight to back up what I believe, not events that happened in previous fights that are irrelevant. Arguing lame opinions against stated facts and actual events is more immature then getting frustrated when you're drunk.
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Lol, you were drunk. It doesn't mind, it didn't hurt me nor anything, it wasn't cool to be insulted and all that, but I'm cool with that. I'm stating my opinions because we debate. If all these facts were stated we wouldn't be arguing. It was never stated Gogeta used his full power, it was never stated he didn't, it was never stated everyone gave their energy, it was not stated not everyone gave their energy. Almost nothing is stated, you quote and say what you think the statement means and we don't agree over that.
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Are you serious? He survived because he was strong enough to do so. It's that simple.
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No one ever did that in DB/Z/GT and yet Yi Xing Long breaks this just because you wan it??
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Except you're talking about the whole world versus the whole universe. Another lame and ridiculous comparison. Seriously man, just give it up.
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Vegeto's power was big enough to be compared to the whole world's, I think it was even stronger, SSJ4 Gogeta's power is also comparable to the power of the whole universe. Unless you completely disagree with that...