05-07-2008
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(23) Final Warrior
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Re: Hiei vs. Vegeta
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Originally Posted by Old Rai
I agree to a certain extent. I think t he fact that we are having disagreements over the nature of both worlds shows that we both have a different understanding of both worlds, which explains why we can't draw a comparison ourselves. I personally think the two worlds can be basically compared, but that's given how I view both worlds. But I think I was saying something similar to Gazooya: I don't like straight vs. threads because we have to draw unofficial comparisons. I believe that if the worlds and strength of the characters from DBZ and YYH were supposed to be compared in forums like this, then Yoshihiro Togashi and Akira Toriyama would agree on it.
I don't think Yoshihiro Togashi takes DBZ vs. YYH too seriously. The doujinshi written by him that Nefelpitou-sama posted earlier showed a short fight between pre-demon Toguro and Majin Buu, with Toguro winning by firing a Rei Gun. Majin Buu was supposedly one of the many demons Toguro destroyed in his demon slaying days in the Yoshi-rin de pon world. He wasn't disrespecting DBZ vs. YYH, but he was having a good time being cheeky. He also drew several other short stories in that doujinshi that were all cheeky and funny. The funniest was Toguro as a school-girl. That doujinshi showed just how fictional worlds do not always follow the rules that we may think apply to them. It is ultimately up to the creators who have the real authority on the issue, which is related to the reason why I don't like vs. threads.
Is this the scene you are referring to?
I thought that Piccolo said that Super Boo could not leave because the only tunnel to the ROSAT dimension was destroyed. He assumed that Super Boo was incapable of forming his own tunnel. If Itsuki was in the same position, and Piccolo didn't know that Itsuki could make holes in dimensions, then Piccolo would say the same thing and Itsuki would replicate the same feat as Super Boo (making a tunnel, but with a special ability instead). This still doesn't address overcoming the Kekkai, though. Although Itsuki should be able to escape the ROSAT if it is just a dimension, he couldn't do anything to the Kekkai.
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^Bad translation. He says "The ONLY door between this world and our".
Anyway, I just checked the YYH manga itself and it pretty much confirms that the kekkai is a dimensional barrier and not different at-all from the ROSAT. Both divide two parallel and completely different worlds. Both prevent anything from getting through.
Here, Sensui states that the first "gate" is opened and weaker demons can get through:
Manga Fox: Yu Yu Hakusho Vol.16 Ch.008 Online Manga Scans
Next, it is described funnily enough as a "tunnel":
Manga Fox: Yu Yu Hakusho Vol.16 Ch.008 Online Manga Scans
And there you have it. The kekkai is explicitly labeled as a "barrier" and separates the two "dimensions". Kuwabara sword is the only thing that can cut it and the sword is also described as a dimension-cutter. I don't think it can get any more clear than that; This proves Super Boo>>>S-class. It also goes to show how incompatible the two universes are.
Manga Fox: Yu Yu Hakusho Vol.16 Ch.008 Online Manga Scans
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Originally Posted by SuperTien
AT also made Piccolo very strong from just being on kai's for a short time and doing hardly any training, AT makes characters as strong as he wishes them, giving them a numeric number holds them back from doing anything.
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