Old Rai

I won't comment on the Sensui thing just yet, until I get one question answered. Although I agree we should wait on Viz, is it possible to use anime shots to confirm certain translations? Obviously not filler, but stuff that is concordant with the Manga.

To my understanding, Buu ripped through dimensional boundaries. Buu ripped through dimensions much the same way Itsuki did. Itsuki focussed youki into those special hands that floated around him, which caused dimensional tears, allowing him to travel between dimensions. I'll post a few scans later (once I figure out how to).

The Kekkai is a bit different from dimensional boundaries. As Itsuki showed, A class power is all that is needed to break through dimensional boundaries. The SDF did it too, and they are A class powers. So the power to rip through dimensional boundaries is not sufficient to rip through the Kekkai.

That is why I doubt Buu can rip through the Kekkai.

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Originally Posted by ANB 3-I have argued with various members about Makai endless theory. I've already said why I think the floors don't go on forever (Koenma saying Reikai has control of half). BUt since you want me to bring new material to the table, what about the fact Mukuro is always talking about "territory"...? Surely they have some clue about how large it is.

The Three Kings always talked about power equalling territory. Look at the meeting with Yomi. Youda was stating that by snatching up the additional generals from Raizen's Kingdom that this would mean more territory for Yomi. We even see Yomi's territory advance and Raizen's territory wittle down. They mentioned nothing about conquest itself, just getting more power so they could have more influence over Makai as a whole. And like Koenma, they used a graph as opposed to a map. The lack of a map of Makai also supports the notion that Makai is endless.

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Originally Posted by ANB I agree that Togashi was to vague and because Makai is essentially a giant basement, it cannot be compared to our universe. Furthermore, if it were hypothetically going on forever then it simply CAN'T be comapared to Ningenkai. Ningenkai is limited in size (although very huge) and is currentyl expanding. You can't divide infite/2 and that is why I think the floors (at the very least) do not go on forever. This would explain more about Koenma's statement: Maybe there are indeed an endless number of floors and thus an endless amount of space (consequently). It isn't necessary that the floors themselves go on, that explains it imho.

I'm just responding to the bold part. That thought had crossed my mind. But why would Koenma say endless deep and vast in the same sentence if they referred to the same thing? Why would he say "endlessly deep and deep"? That is one of the reasons I think each level is endless, as Makai was stated as being "endlessly vast" in addition to being "endlessly deep".

I also don't think you can divide infinity in two, but I do believe that, as Koenma showed, Reikai can have equal or limited sway over one level in comparison to other great demon powers. Given that there are no A classes on the top level, there would have only been a handful of demons strong enough to oppose the rulers of Reikai. Also, this would mean Koenma wouldn't have to occupy territory in order to control part of a level, as it is fear of the power of Reikai that gives Reikai it's partial power. That would explain why we don't see any of Reikai's holdings in Makai.

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Originally Posted by ANB What am I getting at...? Well, there's no proof Raizen shook all of Makai going by the manga. In fact, translaters often fumble over this isolated panel that has little to do with the plot. I read one that said "Oh, the king's stomach is rumbling. You can set your watch to it". Others claim that he is shaking the "entire plane of existence" but...that would mean if he started fighting he'd tear the reality apart! If he could affect it that much just with his stomach, and we know there is physical effects on the terrain when they fight and power-up, Makai would be thrown into chaos whenever he fights. One thing I'd like to point out is that Yusuke said "what is that sound?" not "why is everything shaking?". Perhaps it is just a very loud noise and a little rumble here and there. He didn't even notice the stomach growls until they were well into the country side.

Like my <50% quote for Sensui, I've come at it by reading the raws myself. The way Hokushin said it was wierd. He said Raizen's stomach "shakes" all of Makai at mealtimes. But the word used for "shake" actually refers to vibrating. It isn't like Raizen is shaking reality apart or anything. A good look at the picture should show that.

Yusuke actually said something closer to what is that rumbling, but that can refer to sound and shaking, which is most accurate in this case. Hokushin was also very specific that it affected all of Makai: he said it could be noticed "throughout" the entire Makai at mealtimes.

There are only two bits of proof in the Manga for Raizen shaking Makai besides that panel. The first is that many demons commented on detecting Raizen's stomach in different areas of Makai. The second is that there was a statement that all of Makai knew of Raizen's death shortly after he died, and the two remaining Kings were shown drawing that conclusion shortly after Raizen's death on the sole notion that they couldn't detect Raizen's stomach.

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Originally Posted by ANB But those are unofficial translations. Like the Sensui's percentage issue, we should wait until viz translates it. That is literally all I have to say on the matter.

Good words too. I should say we should wait for VIZ. It is a good translation. I hate how people keep knocking it.