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uki1234 · 05-03-2008

I think this is a nice idea which ought to be discussed:

We all know Goku was completely rejuvenated when he turned SSJ , though its said that he was completely drained from Genki Dama, and we see that Krillin and Gohan had to help him to get up. So he was healed, and ofc there is a possibility for zenkai, since he has escaped near death experiences, because if there wasn't for Piccolo Frieza would have killed him.

Goku against Frieza: about 3,000,000
Goku: worn out after Genki Dama - a lot less than 100,000

Goku(zenkai): 50,000,000
SSJ Goku: 150,000,000

This would explain how he almost evaded energy disc from Frieza when he was in base, and it would solve mystery of "decreasing SSJ multiplier" - It doesn't decrease at all - always has been 3x, like on kiri metar:

Base Goku: 1000
Yakkon: 800
MSSJ Goku: 3000

What do you think?

Note* When Yakkon exploded Goku went SSJ2 for an instant, as Vegeta hinted.

Just one list that came on my mind about 3x multiplier:

Feel free to comment

Android saga:

Goku: 120,000,000

Android 19: 150,000,000

Android 20: 160,000,000

SSJ Goku: 360,000,000

SSJ Goku(sick): 240,000,000

Android 19(energy lost against Goku): 50,000,000

SSJ Goku(further sick): 70,000,000

SSJ Goku(kamehameha): 157,500,000

Android 19(kamehameha absorbed): 207,500,000

Andoid 19(Goku's energy absorbed): 215,000,000

Vegeta: 125,000,000

SSJ Vegeta: 375,000,000

Android 19(energy lost against Vegeta): 115,000,000

Android 19(Vegeta's energy absorbed): 215,000,000

SSJ Vegeta(energy lost): 270,000,000

SSJ Vegeta(Big Bang): 540,000,000

Piccolo(Supressed - weighted clothes on): 5,000,000

Android 20(Piccolo's and Vegeta's ki blast absorbed): 165,000,000

Piccolo(full power): 198,000,000

Android 18(holding back): 350,000,000

Andoid 18(full power): 435,000,000

Android 17: 522,000,000

Imperfect Cell saga:

Kamicollo: 522,000,000

Imperfect Cell: 450,000,000

Imperfect Cell(humans absorbed): 628,000,000

Android 16: 628,000,000

Semi-Perfect Cell: 1,150,000,000

Vegeta(post ROSAT): 400,000,000

SSJ Vegeta: 1,200,000,000

ASSJ Vegeta: 1,800,000,000

Semi-Perfect Cell(full power): 1,440,000,000

Trunks(post ROSAT): 384,000,000

SSJ Trunks: 1,152,000,000

ASSJ Trunks: 1,728,000,000

Perfect Cell(Holding Back): 2,700,000,000

USSJ Trunks: 3,456,000,000

"USSJ" Cell: 8,100,000,000

Cell games saga:

Goku (post ROSAT): 2,100,000,000

MSSJ Goku(suppressed): 1,500,000,000

MSSJ Goku(50% of Full Power): 3,150,000,000

MSSJ Goku(Full Power): 6,300,000,000

MSSJ Goku(Warp Kamehameha): 14,175,000,000

MSSJ Goku(Worn Out): 3,150,000,000

Perfect Cell(Against Goku): 6,750,000,000

Gohan: 2,730,000,000

MSSJ Gohan(relaxed): 1,400,000,000

MSSJ Gohan: 8,190,000,000

Piccolo (post ROSAT): 3,200,000,000

Vegeta (post ROSAT): 1,260,000,000

SSJ Vegeta: 3,780,000,000

Trunks (post ROSAT): 1,200,000,000

SSJ Trunks: 3,600,000,000

Cell Jr.: 3,800,000,000

SSJ2 Gohan: 24,570,000,000

Perfect Cell(Full Power): 13,500,000,000

Perfect Cell(injured): 11,500,000,000

Perfect Cell(Kamehameha): 25,875,000,000

Perfect Cell(injured and worn out after kamehameha): 6,000,000,000

"USSJ" Cell: 18,000,000,000

Super Perfect Cell: 20,475,000,000

World tournament saga:

Hercule: 15

Videl: 30

Gohan: 2,275,000,000

MSSJ Gohan: 6,825,000,000

SSJ2 Gohan: 20,475,000,000

Goten: 400,000,000

MSSJ Goten: 1,200,000,000

Piccolo: 4,000,000,000

Dabura: 6,750,000,000

Trunks: 410,000,000

MSSJ Trunks: 1,230,000,000

Vegeta: 4,800,000,000

MSSJ Vegeta: 14,400,000,000

SSJ2 Vegeta: 43,200,000,000

Goku: 6,000,000,000

Yakkon: 4,800,000,000

MSSJ Goku: 18,000,000,000

SSJ2 Goku: 54,000,000,000

Majin MSSJ Vegeta: 18,000,000,000

Majin SSJ2 Vegeta: 54,000,000,000

Fat Buu saga:

Fat Buu(just after hatched): 36,000,000,000

MSSJ Gohan: 6,180,000,000

Majin SSJ2 Vegeta: 54,000,000,000

Fat Buu(Enraged - full power): 81,000,000,000

Majin SSJ2 Vegeta(Explosion): 135,000,000,000

SSJ3 Goku(Holding back): 89,100,000,000

Trunks(suppressed): 400,000,000

Goten: 400,000,000

Gotenks: 40,000,000,000

MSSJ Gotenks: 120,000,000,000

Fusion saga:

Super Buu(holding back): 97,200,000,000

Trunks(post ROSAT): 845,000,000

Goten(post ROSAT): 845,000,000

Gotenks(post ROSAT): 84,500,000,000

MSSJ Gotenks: 253,500,000,000

SSJ3 Gotenks: 2,281,500,000,000

Super Buu(full power): 1,984,000,000,000

Mystic Gohan: 2,976,000,000,000

Gotenks Buu: 4,269,000,000,000

SSJ3 Goku(full power): 162,000,000,000

Piccolo Buu: 1,996,450,000,000

Gohan Buu: 4,972,450,000,000

Vegeto: 3,240,000,000,000

MSSJ Vegeto: 9,720,000,000,000

Buff Buu: 2,182,400,000,000

Kid Buu saga:

SSJ3 Goku(full power): 162,000,000,000

SSJ2 Vegeta: 43,200,000,000

Fat Buu: 81,000,000,000

Kid Buu: 129,600,000,000

SSJ3 Goku(against Kid Buu): 130,000,000,000

Multiplier reference:

SSJ: 3x base

ASSJ: 4,5x base

USSJ: 9x base

MSSJ: 3x base

SSJ2: 9x base

SSJ3: 27x base

Fusion: 50x base powers combined

Potara Fusion: 300x base powers combined

05-03-2008	#1 (permalink)
uki1234 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,204 Rep Power: 11	SSJ Zenkai yes or no? I think this is a nice idea which ought to be discussed: We all know Goku was completely rejuvenated when he turned SSJ , though its said that he was completely drained from Genki Dama, and we see that Krillin and Gohan had to help him to get up. So he was healed, and ofc there is a possibility for zenkai, since he has escaped near death experiences, because if there wasn't for Piccolo Frieza would have killed him. Goku against Frieza: about 3,000,000 Goku: worn out after Genki Dama - a lot less than 100,000 Goku(zenkai): 50,000,000 SSJ Goku: 150,000,000 This would explain how he almost evaded energy disc from Frieza when he was in base, and it would solve mystery of "decreasing SSJ multiplier" - It doesn't decrease at all - always has been 3x, like on kiri metar: Base Goku: 1000 Yakkon: 800 MSSJ Goku: 3000 What do you think? Note* When Yakkon exploded Goku went SSJ2 for an instant, as Vegeta hinted. Just one list that came on my mind about 3x multiplier: Feel free to comment Android saga: Goku: 120,000,000 Android 19: 150,000,000 Android 20: 160,000,000 SSJ Goku: 360,000,000 SSJ Goku(sick): 240,000,000 Android 19(energy lost against Goku): 50,000,000 SSJ Goku(further sick): 70,000,000 SSJ Goku(kamehameha): 157,500,000 Android 19(kamehameha absorbed): 207,500,000 Andoid 19(Goku's energy absorbed): 215,000,000 Vegeta: 125,000,000 SSJ Vegeta: 375,000,000 Android 19(energy lost against Vegeta): 115,000,000 Android 19(Vegeta's energy absorbed): 215,000,000 SSJ Vegeta(energy lost): 270,000,000 SSJ Vegeta(Big Bang): 540,000,000 Piccolo(Supressed - weighted clothes on): 5,000,000 Android 20(Piccolo's and Vegeta's ki blast absorbed): 165,000,000 Piccolo(full power): 198,000,000 Android 18(holding back): 350,000,000 Andoid 18(full power): 435,000,000 Android 17: 522,000,000 Imperfect Cell saga: Kamicollo: 522,000,000 Imperfect Cell: 450,000,000 Imperfect Cell(humans absorbed): 628,000,000 Android 16: 628,000,000 Semi-Perfect Cell: 1,150,000,000 Vegeta(post ROSAT): 400,000,000 SSJ Vegeta: 1,200,000,000 ASSJ Vegeta: 1,800,000,000 Semi-Perfect Cell(full power): 1,440,000,000 Trunks(post ROSAT): 384,000,000 SSJ Trunks: 1,152,000,000 ASSJ Trunks: 1,728,000,000 Perfect Cell(Holding Back): 2,700,000,000 USSJ Trunks: 3,456,000,000 "USSJ" Cell: 8,100,000,000 Cell games saga: Goku (post ROSAT): 2,100,000,000 MSSJ Goku(suppressed): 1,500,000,000 MSSJ Goku(50% of Full Power): 3,150,000,000 MSSJ Goku(Full Power): 6,300,000,000 MSSJ Goku(Warp Kamehameha): 14,175,000,000 MSSJ Goku(Worn Out): 3,150,000,000 Perfect Cell(Against Goku): 6,750,000,000 Gohan: 2,730,000,000 MSSJ Gohan(relaxed): 1,400,000,000 MSSJ Gohan: 8,190,000,000 Piccolo (post ROSAT): 3,200,000,000 Vegeta (post ROSAT): 1,260,000,000 SSJ Vegeta: 3,780,000,000 Trunks (post ROSAT): 1,200,000,000 SSJ Trunks: 3,600,000,000 Cell Jr.: 3,800,000,000 SSJ2 Gohan: 24,570,000,000 Perfect Cell(Full Power): 13,500,000,000 Perfect Cell(injured): 11,500,000,000 Perfect Cell(Kamehameha): 25,875,000,000 Perfect Cell(injured and worn out after kamehameha): 6,000,000,000 "USSJ" Cell: 18,000,000,000 Super Perfect Cell: 20,475,000,000 World tournament saga: Hercule: 15 Videl: 30 Gohan: 2,275,000,000 MSSJ Gohan: 6,825,000,000 SSJ2 Gohan: 20,475,000,000 Goten: 400,000,000 MSSJ Goten: 1,200,000,000 Piccolo: 4,000,000,000 Dabura: 6,750,000,000 Trunks: 410,000,000 MSSJ Trunks: 1,230,000,000 Vegeta: 4,800,000,000 MSSJ Vegeta: 14,400,000,000 SSJ2 Vegeta: 43,200,000,000 Goku: 6,000,000,000 Yakkon: 4,800,000,000 MSSJ Goku: 18,000,000,000 SSJ2 Goku: 54,000,000,000 Majin MSSJ Vegeta: 18,000,000,000 Majin SSJ2 Vegeta: 54,000,000,000 Fat Buu saga: Fat Buu(just after hatched): 36,000,000,000 MSSJ Gohan: 6,180,000,000 Majin SSJ2 Vegeta: 54,000,000,000 Fat Buu(Enraged - full power): 81,000,000,000 Majin SSJ2 Vegeta(Explosion): 135,000,000,000 SSJ3 Goku(Holding back): 89,100,000,000 Trunks(suppressed): 400,000,000 Goten: 400,000,000 Gotenks: 40,000,000,000 MSSJ Gotenks: 120,000,000,000 Fusion saga: Super Buu(holding back): 97,200,000,000 Trunks(post ROSAT): 845,000,000 Goten(post ROSAT): 845,000,000 Gotenks(post ROSAT): 84,500,000,000 MSSJ Gotenks: 253,500,000,000 SSJ3 Gotenks: 2,281,500,000,000 Super Buu(full power): 1,984,000,000,000 Mystic Gohan: 2,976,000,000,000 Gotenks Buu: 4,269,000,000,000 SSJ3 Goku(full power): 162,000,000,000 Piccolo Buu: 1,996,450,000,000 Gohan Buu: 4,972,450,000,000 Vegeto: 3,240,000,000,000 MSSJ Vegeto: 9,720,000,000,000 Buff Buu: 2,182,400,000,000 Kid Buu saga: SSJ3 Goku(full power): 162,000,000,000 SSJ2 Vegeta: 43,200,000,000 Fat Buu: 81,000,000,000 Kid Buu: 129,600,000,000 SSJ3 Goku(against Kid Buu): 130,000,000,000 Multiplier reference: SSJ: 3x base ASSJ: 4,5x base USSJ: 9x base MSSJ: 3x base SSJ2: 9x base SSJ3: 27x base Fusion: 50x base powers combined Potara Fusion: 300x base powers combined Last edited by uki1234; 05-11-2008 at 07:12 PM.