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Originally Posted by Nikushimi
When he was in a weakened condition. Compounded by the surprise-failure of his Tsukuyomi, a bleeding gash in his leg, and the fact that he wouldn't want to completely dominate and overtake Sasuke with his Katon for fear of at least damaging his eyes.
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What are you talking about. The ability to preform a ninjutsu isn't dependant on whether or not you have scratched your leg.
Sasuke overpowered Itachi, while using the same jutsu. And Itachi had to turn for a more powerful one in order to not be hit.
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Regardless of the exact cause, the fact remains that some external factor led to Itachi's downfall, rather than outright inferiority, which is what you're suggesting. Zetsu clearly states "That definitely was not Itachi's full power". I don't know how it can be any more blatant than that.
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But we don't know the reason behind it yet.
But we do know that with the same jutsu, Sasuke is more powerful.
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Or maybe you're just overlooking the high probability that confronting Sasuke was necessary, regardless of whether or not he was prepared.
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Why?
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Sasuke never took it. So leave it at that. He traded it for training with a pedophile instead, and there's still no guarantee he would've been stronger than Itachi if he had gotten it.
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Itachi was dominant because of the jutsu's Amaterasu and Susanoo. Heck, Sasuke's Kirin which basically required no chakra would've killed Itachi.
If Sasuke obtained the Magenkyo he would've pund Itachi's back-side so hard that it would bleed.
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Yes.
Kisame without Samehada is considerably weaker than Kisame with Samehada. But when creating a versus thread, which do we automatically assume exists? Obviously, we default to Kisame possessing Samehada and just accept it as a given. If you want a match based solely on which muscle-man can out-flex the other, maybe you should go post your theories in the DBZ forum. In Naruto, weapons often make the man, and are fair game in any situation. If you can't keep up...too bad.
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Fair enough. But the topic clearly states, if Itachi didn't use the Magenkyo. Or the alternative, if Sasuke also had it.
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And if Sasuke found a lamp with a magical genie, he could wish Itachi dead.
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The genie in Disney's version can't kill people. How do you manage to misunderstand everything?
- Unless you mean the genie in Aladin in "Thousand and one night", which you've probably never read.
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So Itachi gives a demonstration that, according to Zetsu, was far below his usual standards, Madara knowingly remarks that he had predicted the outcome, and we have confirmation that Itachi and Madara were at odd ends with one another to the point that there was probably a mutual desire to eliminate the other...and it doesn't strike you as a high probability that maybe, jut maybe, Madara sabotaged Itachi?
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I'll use your sentence "Pure speculation, really." And Sasuke would've been so pissed if he found out ...
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Sasuke pulled out all the stops, with practically three years of preparation under his belt for this day, against an Itachi who was not only severely watered-down, but also not fighting with full killing intent. And without Orochimaru's brief intervention, Sasuke STILL would've lost, and had Itachi decided on using the final Amaterasu against Sasuke rather than putting it in him...well, shit. Itachi could've owned that fight, particularly at full strength.
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Itachi thought he poked the eye out of Sasuke, before he realized he had been butt slammed by Sasuke's genjutsu.
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So bow down and bend over before the mighty cock of Itachi-sama. Him>>>>>Saucegay.
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Sasuke lives Itachi don't. Fact.
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Originally Posted by Nikushimi
Also, if THAT's your response to SS2 Vegeto's post, which pretty thoroughly destroyed your argument nigh in its entirety, there's not much point in discussing this with you.
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No, I pretty much agreed with most of the parts there. I replied about the rest.
Seems like someone didn't got his juce today ...