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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito
I understand that but Goku didn't, Piccolo had to tell him that despite Gohan's power he was still a child. Also Gohan seemed much more willing to fight against Broly, than against Cell it was like he was trying not to kill him. Also like I said before in Movie 9 he did much better where as the other Z Fighters where still just pushovers. That to me shows that he wasn't MSSJ in Movie 8 but he was in Movie 9.
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The movies do not necessarily bring one character's particular emotion from the canon story into it's plot base, for they [the main story and the movies] are both opposites, canon and non-canon. What would Gohan have to gain by jumping in front of Legendary SSj Broly while in base? Absolutely nothing. He was never willing or eager to fight Broly. It was his declaration of defense for his father.
You're forgetting that Vegeta was beaten much easier in Movie 8 than in Movie 9. Gohan was still the supreme member of the Zet Senshi in both movies.
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Originally Posted by Cableguy15
Ironically enough he did have proof, or atleast I know he does now.
Daizenshuu EX :: View topic - Editorial: The Placement of Movies 8 and 10.
"When, exactly, would the characters have been "pulled" from then? Movie 8 was released in March of 1993. Three months before that would be December of 1992. The first episode that aired in that month was Episode 167, in which Cell announces the Cell Game. This is one episode before Goku and Gohan re-emerge from the Room of Spirit and Time. The Movie began production before Gohan and Goku had finished their training, and had certainly not yet shown what kind of power they had in this "full power" state. Would this not mean that the characters are based off of the period of time in which Trunks and Vegeta are fighting Cell? We actually see Goku and Gohan during this fight, training in the Room of Spirit and Time. In the Manga, the last time we see them training, Gohan has just had his hair cut and can turn Super Saiyan. His hair length is suspiciously similar to how it looks in Movie 8. His bangs are shorter than in the Cell Game and the back has little spiking. Without doubt, the length of Gohan's hair in Movie 8 is closer to when we see him in the Room of Spirit and Time then it is in the Cell Game.
"Mid-RoSaT". The characters were extracted from the point in time in which Goku and Gohan were still training in the Room of Spirit and Time. This would be about the point in which Goku shows his ability to tap into the 2nd and 3rd type Super Saiyan transformations. They've been training enough to increase their power hugely, but not yet begun the regimen to relax themselves while transformed and hold the state all the time. The way the battles play out in the movie enforce this, because if the movie was "Post-RoSaT", there would be a huge gap between every protagonist fighter, but they all seem to be on relatively equal footing. Also, if Gohan had completed his training, he would be on the tip of being able to go past the Super Saiyan. However, despite the circumstances and how dire they become, there is no such hint at this. If he was capable, Goku would have been pushing for that instead of the odd way he goes about besting Broli. This means Gohan was not yet ready to fully tap his true Super Saiyan abilities.
Movie 10, as well, enforces this. When Gohan is fighting Broli, he notes to himself that his opponent is every bit as strong as before, and then mentions that he himself has powered up considerably since then. If Gohan had finished his training in the Room of Spirit and Time, there would be something horribly wrong with this statement, because Gohan had lost a large amount of power during the 7 years after the Cell Game. On top of that, when Gohan goes Super Saiyan, he holds out against Broli better than anyone did during Movie 8, proving that he himself had not only become stronger since then, but was greater than where everyone else was at the point of movie 8."
Pretty much sums up why they're not MSSJs in movie 8 if you ask me. |
First off, the Air Date Theory is simply a fallacy. For if all that were true, then we wouldn't see Dende as Guardian of Earth in Movie 6, in which depicted a pre-Cyborg Arc setting. All meaning the makers of that movie already knew the events of the Manga, disregarding the due air-dates of the anime episodes. Second, if you take a look in the manga, Gohan looks much smaller while in the RoSaT than in Movie 8. His body looks as if he were still a little twerp. Compare Gohan's body in Movie 8 with the pictures of Gohan during his training in the RoSaT, and I guarantee you'll see a difference. At least I did. [look at page 25]
Broly's vastly superior power is what made the Zet Senshi look identically weak. He was toying with all of them anyway. And there was really no time for Goku to try to make Gohan angry either. They were being hunted and chased down by Broly the entire time from the beginning of their battle. And really, Goku not telling Gohan to get angry is a silly argument in my opinion, because the movie creators will do as they will. Apparently, it wasn't part of their ambition to make Gohan the hero, but Goku. So telling Gohan to try to become angry would just be a waste of film, if they were aiming to make Goku the hero anyway. Also, it would take way too much for Gohan to grow to the breaking point of ascending to SSj2. Cell had almost ran out of ideas...[lol] But nah, really, Gohan had to be pushed to a very high degree of anger. He didn't ascend into SSj2 until he and all his friends were beaten to pulp, and 16 had given his speech and died. If it wasn't for 16's empathetic speech, it's very likely Gohan would not have broken the through the proverbial Super Saiyan wall.
As for your last paragragh, I believe Gohan was SSj2 when fighting Broly, so...