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ANB · 04-09-2008

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Originally Posted by JAIF

Not if Madara used most of his power to summon the Kyuubi, expecting it to like evaporate Shodai, and then Shodai went all "HAI GAIZ" and made the Kyuubi go away, or worse yet, turned it against Madara... Simply put, Shodai could win if his Bijuu control ability was better in doing what it was supposed to do than the Mangekyou Sharingan. Which is possible. Meh.

Vegeto is right about Shodai becoming Hokage especially because of his Bijuu-controlling skills, which would imply that those abilities helped him against Madara, but this could be interpreted in a massive number of ways so I'm leaving it out.

1-Okay, if we're gonna use our intuition then there is a flaw with yours:

A) Madara has s***-load of chakra. Jiraiya mentioned to Naruto that you need to have a large sum of chakra to be someone who specializes in Kuchiyose jutsu's (which is why he encouraged Naruto to tap into his Kyuubi reserves). No only that, but he's stronger than Itachi--and Itachi's chakra is apparently very large considering how long he held out against Sasuke (among other things like the fact Pein's clones could only handle 30% of him and Kisame's chakra donation). So absolute fact=Madara has a lot of chakra and would not huff and puff from summoning even the kyuubi (Going by your scenario. If he had let the battle flow and then summoned it l8r that's another thing).

B) The Kyuubi situation starts to sound idiotic because Madara can also manipulate it. Itachi said that Uchiha Madara "Makes the Kyuubi into his plaything" and the key-toad mentioned that it shouldn't be hard for Madara to summon it (and Jiraiya concurs). Not only that, but Orochimaru warns Kabuto not to summon Manda with his own hand-seals because he would get grumpy and kill him (Pretty much only Oro and l8r Sasuge can handle the Snake-king).

But there is more: Jiraiya was in awe that Naruto could handle Gamabunta "I mean--Gamabunta??? Even I can't handle that,". So apparently you need to be able to "handle" any creature you summon or it's gonna be a bitch.

But what I'm getting at is again this queer situation of Kyuubi-tug o'-war. Both Shodai and Madara bend bijuu to their will (specifically the nine-tails). So...they'd essentially be testing their will power over it and it would probably go nowhere. There is also no proof Kyuubi was near Konoha prior to it's invasion 15 years ago.

2-WHEN did they say it...? When as in what chapter??? What proof is there that Shodai became Hokage thanks to those abilities? If anything, there is implications that it heped him fight Madara. I'm not saying I don't trust you, or SS2 Vegetto, but this is a debate. You can't just throw out "facts" and people tend to say "I think" or "I remember hearing".