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Originally Posted by Xyex
First of all, this isn't the place for disucssion threads.
Secondly, most of what you listed isn't even in AF.
Thirdly:
And the only reason Goku got to SSJ4 was because of the Kais. That machine didn't turn Vegeta into an SSJ4, it just triggered the Oozaru transformation. It's no differet than the Kais pulling Goku's tail back out.
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That's true, but it can sound misleading. Goku's tal being pulled out was not an artificial way of becoming SS4, and wheter Vegeta's transformation is natural or artificial would be each fans different opinion.