Me and Broly were discussing of that match up in another thread, we got carried away so we'll do it here. Here is what we said so far:
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Originally Posted by Broly
Goku [GT] =/> Uub [Post-Training; start of GT] = Chibi Buu
Ledgic is somewhere between Base Kid Goku and SSj Kid Goku.
I think Ledgic's just a tad bit stronger than Chibi Buu. I know it sounds crazy...
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Originally Posted by Majuub
It doesn't really make sense though. If Goku was impressed by Rildo's power because he thought him as strong as Chibi Buu then Goku was going to go all out in his SSJ state since he was excited, if Goku is excited he'll go all out. So he thinks he has to go all out in his SSJ form to stand a chance against Chibi Buu and he wasn't using near the full power of the SSJ when he fought Ledgic. Obviously, that makes Chibi a little weaker, equal or a little stronger than SSJ Goku so Chibi Buu is stronger than Ledgic since he was much weaker than SSJ Goku.
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Originally Posted by Broly
In which state did Goku make that statment, normal or SSj?
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Originally Posted by Majuub
I believe it his normal state. It wouldn't change nothing since he wouldn't be impressed by someone he can take in base form. Why would he be even excited if going SSJ would make him dominate the fight completely. It's also ridiculous to believe that Goku in base form in GT is as strong as his SSJ3 state at the end of DBZ.
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Originally Posted by Broly
This is what I know. Goku trained Uub back to his previous self's power. In the beginning of GT, when Uub's training was complete, [and in completion that means he's back to his former power] both he and base Goku were fight evenly [with Goku having the slight advantage]. So Goku [base; GT] is > than Chibi Buu. Goku states that Rilldo is about as powerful as Chibi Buu, BUT, Trunks butts in and tell Goku he is giving Rilldo too much credit, thus explaining why Base Goku was able to handle Rilldo with such ease until Rilldo transformed and merged with his lame sigma squad. So, Base Rilldo is < than Chibi Buu.
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Originally Posted by Majuub
Uub training was complete, it doesn't mean he's as strong as Chibi Buu. It just means Goku feels that he trained him enough so now he doesn't need him anymore. It's like when a master says to his student: I have nothing more to teach you. It doesn't mean that his student reached his full power, it just means that the master thaught him everything he knew, that's all. Goku was handling Rildo in base, but it's not like Rildo was going all out.
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Originally Posted by Broly
I disagree. Goku's whole purpose of training Uub was to get him back to his former power so Goku could have another exciting match with him. Vegeta takes notice of this during the Budokai.So, when he finally did complete his training, it's pretty safe to assume that Uub had reached his former power. That is what Goku eventually intended for him to accomplish, and that's the whole reason of their battle in the beginning of GT. That was the fight Goku was waiting for all that time, and the fight that would "graduate" Uub so to speak out of Goku's hands and into heroism. And I never said that his former power was his full potential.
As for the Rilldo thing, it's GT. I tried to explain it as clearly and simply as I could.
Listen though, I don't want to keep off topic. We need to stay on topic. We're mods now, and we can't afford to behave like this. If you would like to continue this discussion in a new thread, I'll be glad to join you. Whad'ya say?
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To the last quote I answer: Rildo knew how much power Goku had, he even said: So, you were only using 50% of your power all this time, that I knew. He said that just after Goku went SSJ so he knew how strong SSJ Goku was. Goku didn't seem suprised when Rildo powered up, so he knew what was to be expected, he was just impressed. Keep in mind Rildo is a meta mutant, he's an organic being therefore it is possible to read his power level. When the Sigma force captured Goku, he went SSJ right after since he was tired to play, he knew he had to go SSJ in order to defeat Rildo since he knew Rildo had much more power than he displayed. That statements nullifies the fact that Goku trained Uub enough for him to be as strong as Chibi Buu which also nullfies the fact that base Goku is as strong as Chibi Buu. We don't which Buu Goku was refering to but it's just ridiculous to think he was refering to Shin Buu since it would mean base Goku GT is like 4x stronger than Z SSJ3 Goku.