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**LegendarySSJ7** · 05-24-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

To somebody who would merely accept his appearance as an SSj in Movie 10, to them he is only SSj. And that's what I used to think. But looking at the movies over and over again have opened my eyes to a different opinion. Just because he had no sparks doesn't directly mean he was MSSj. Movies 12 and 13 show Goku clearly as an SSj2, yet they do not add the sparks. And we can tell this by his hair. If Toei did it in Movies 12 and 13 there's really nothing saying they couldn't possibly have done the same in Movie 10, in fact, the opposite of that seems much more likely to me.

I don't contest TOEI's blithe inconsistency. But whether Vegeta was accessing SSj 2 or not in Movie 13 and 12... that ranges in interpretation. He managed to phase Janemba somehow, so I think even despite the lack of lightning dancing around his aura, Janemba was just hamming it up, but say Vegeta was accessing SSj 2 wasn't stretching things by far. As for Movie 13, it has too many plotholes for me to even further the assertion. As for Gohan in Movie 12... his hair is the same across all three forms and no bolts of lightning were over his aura, so even outside of asserting attitude and conversion of power to the fullest... I'd say that making him SSj 2 would make him everyone disproportionately strong (even vaccously so). Then again, Broli's appearances tend to be brief enough that he feels like a cameo appearance (much like the end of the DBZ series itself).

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Originally Posted by Broly

Now I agree with you when you say Broly can only be determined to be 1.33x Gohan's power in the very least. But, that, in my opinion, would put Broly around SSj2 Kid Gohan.

I'd say that's even excessive for Movie 10 Broli, but to each his own. Then again, I feel Broli was only accessing SSj Type 3 and not this erroneous "Legendary Super Saiyan form" TOEI labeled or whatever, but again, to each his own.

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Originally Posted by Broly

While it's true that the Zet Senshi looked to be more on an equal footing of power, this is not the case. Broly defeated both Gohan and Vegeta in one attack, yet he apparently held back on Piccolo, Trunks, and Goku more. Is there any preferance to the extremety of his attacks? Very possibly so, taken this prospect into account. Yes, the Movies don't usually add certain factors of the storyline into the plot, but what's Trunks' transformation have to do with SSj3 Goku in Movie 13? I mean, just because they made Goku an uber-god in Movie 13, surpassing even the limits and power of Gohan and Gotenks not 2 years after Chibi Buu's defeat? Incredibly impossible. Plain and simply, the script writers of that movie just wanted Goku to come out on top, just like Movie 8. Either Super Dragon Fist multiplies your power A WHOLE LOT, or they messed up, or they're Goku lovers. Pick your choice. I think they're Goku lovers. My interpretation, as I've mentioned before, on Trunks' power and state in Movie 8 is based on observation. I really don't see a reason why he couldn't have been at that level of power.

I also wouldn't go as far as to say that anyone was MSS in Movie 8. As for Trunks' transformation... SSj Type 3, you mean? Well, both SSj 3 and SSj Type 3 glancingly show the long-term effects of an extension of SS-sized power that's inherently ineffectual (without equalization) in speed and power. But if I've observed anything over the years, it's that no one in DBZ quite developers alongside one to another in sheer strength; there's only one number one victor (thus denoting the fatal flaw of the series: superfluous power growth equals off no room for growth).

And yes, TOEI are of the opinion that Goku is apparently some sort of invincible being of sorts, but I don't think they felt the same about anyone else.... I don't see how Broli could be as strong as the breakthroughs that are the pinnacle of the series (that we only see later on, as a response to other threats, or that are pinnacles of select SSj forms).