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Well, the first one I noticed was the fact that the Movies 12 and 13 exhibited SSj2s without sparks, and the animators look to have switched with others after Movie 9. By Movie 10, you can easily tell that the DBZ Movies' art and drawing had been upgraded from what it was. Kinda had that Buu Arc feel to it.
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I just watched some of Movie 12 and I can tell you that they didn't forget to add sparks. Watch Goku as he powers up from SSJ to SSJ3. You can see the sparks as the power up progresses. It's quite obvious that he was passing SSJ2 at the point at which the sparks start showing. Maybe you could try to argue that Vegeta was SSJ2 in movie 12 while fighting janemba, but all evidence certainly leads to him being only SSJ in the movie. Besides, why would SSJ3 have sparks in movie 12, while SSJ2 doesn't? Give TOEI some credit, I'm sure if they remember to make a SSJ3 possess sparks, they wont forget it with SSJ2.
Seeing as they didn't forget to add sparks in movie 12, that pretty much puts an end to your theory about different animators and how they never added sparks to SSJ2.(Which there's no proof of in the first place)
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Second thing I noticed was the fact that Broly received a Zenkai in Movie 10 because he was severely wounded through the chest. At that point in power he was at in Movie 8, he was literally residing in a power range which was the leaping point for SSj2.
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Who says he got a zenkai? What proof of this is there? Zenkai's were all but disregarded by the time SSJs became common. Most noticably, Vegeta took a bad beating from Cell without getting a zenkai, Gohan fullfilled the definition of "Near death experience" from his encounter with Fat Buu and got nothing. The only thing that suggests Broly got a Zenkai is that he was badly injured, but if you go by them being badly injured, you might as well say anyone who gets badly injured after the frieza saga got a zenkai, and that doesn't work out too well.
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So, if you think Goku and Gohan were MSSjs in Movie 8, then Broly would have to be multiple times stronger than them.
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Not really, I mean it only takes a 1.2x advantage (According to vegeta vs Dodoria) to dominate. Broly was tanking all of their attacks head on, but I really doubt he was anything more than 2x stronger than Goku, if not less.
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So, if you think Goku and Gohan were MSSjs in Movie 8, then Broly would have to be multiple times stronger than them. And if you took into account the OVA Movie, which TOEI did assemble into a movie, then this would only make sense because of Goku's and Piccolo's statements in that feature, claiming Broly and Hatchyack are nigh equal, and making mention of Mr. Satan. They never saw Mr. Satan until Goku and Gohan were well out the RoSaT. So Goku's statement indicates something important here.
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Well I can't really argue here since I've never seen the OVA; Would it happen to take place after or durring the Cell games?
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Taking my points into mind, this is why I think it's very very possible for him to have received the same power-up as Cell did through the Zenkai he received after his very near-death experience. This would just make Gohan look stupid if he was about to combat Broly who is stronger than he was before, by a lot, and he was gonna fight him in a state that was weaker than what he first fought Broly in. It wouldn't make sense.
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Well any zenkai is possible, but it doesn't make it true. There's really no indication he was any stronger in movie 10 at all.
I don't think canon Gohan and Gohan (Movie 10) are the same. Gohan from the Broly universe is clearly weaker than his canon self in movie 8, whether he's a MSSJ or not, seeing as he's weaker than Goku and is downplayed a lot. So it goes without saying that technically, he should be stronger in movie 10 compared to movie 8.
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Also, you can see Gohan's hair make two different appearances whilst in his super states. The first time he transforms we see him clearly with one hair-bang coming across his face, with a hairstyle very similar to SSj2. Second time he transforms, he has two hair-bangs coming across his face [when he was firing his Super Kamehameha], like if he were merely Super Saiyan. When they made this movie, it was around the time of the Saiyaman arc, I believe, when Gohan's SSj1 and SSj2 were distinctive. What's your feedback on this?
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My feedback? Well I think "No sparks" is a greater proof than the way his hair is in certain states. As shown in movies 9 and 12, SSJ2s do have sparks in the movies, and I don't see much reason for that not to be the case in movie 10