Dupe of USSJed

You do make a good argument, but listen to this.


Firstly, out of Goku's 158 days the first 40 was simply getting used to the gravity by chasing Bubbles. He was PL 300 while weighted at that point, Tien was power level 1830, which makes him 6x stronger then Goku, and so he would take 1/6 the time to catch bubbles right? Thats six days. I worked it out with a DBZ timeline, that leaves Tien 304 days to train with King Kai. Your theory of the bulk of the power increase coming from the x10 gravity boost leads me to believe you think Goku got 4,001 or more of his 8,000 post King Kai power level from that. King Kai is an amazing trainer, and saying that he would increase Goku's power level by less then 4,000 in 118 days is crazy.

Anyway going by your theory, Tien would reach power level 4001+ in the first six days(although it could be more, that does sound a little odd) which leaves King Kai three hundred and four days to train Tien. As far as I know, a large amount of Goku's training with King Kai after the 40 day gravity thing was learning the Kaoken and Spirit Bomb. King Kai didn't do that with Tien, so he would be focusing entirely on just increasing power level. Unlike Goku, Tien had Yamcha to train with for 150 of those 310 days, it would take Yamcha something like 1/4 the time it took Goku to get used to the gravity, so lets say 10 days. Which leaves 140 days to train with a sparring partner under one of the greatest masters in the heavens.

As I mentioned before, I believe the majority of the time spent training with King Kai for Goku was in learning the Spirit Bomb and Kaoken. I am not the type to say and not prove, so take a look at a couple other times people trained under a master.

Master Roshi

Started September 14 749
Ended May 6 750
Time:240 days
Goku:10-124, thats a 12x in 240 days

Now I will admit this is debatable, as there is no power level for Goku before this except his apparant "10" at the start of Dragon Ball. I cannot remember what happened during the Pre Roshi Training segment of DB, but perhaps Goku got stronger?

Karin


Started May 12 750
Ended May 15 750
Time:3 days
Goku:124-157, thats a a 24% increase in 3 days.

Kami(+6 months of individual training)


Started Sometime in March(Let's say March 15 for averageness) 750
Ended November 3 750
Time:150 days with Kami, 78 on own
Tien:250-1830, 732% increase in 228 days
Yamcha:174-1400(?) ,804% increase in 228 days
Krillin:206-1600(thats a guess, based that he is stronger than Yamcha and weaker than Tien, I cannot remember proper level) 770% increase in 228 days

And King Kai in an effing God. He is far superior to Kami and Co. 2000% increase in half a year. Now before you mention gravity again, I do have one more worthwhile thing to mention about it. Raditz, he was a "Top Class Warrior", as a Saiyan he would have trained in x10 gravity his whole life, and where did it get him? Power Level "1500" according to the Daizenshuu.

As for a x6 in three years training on own, Piccolo managed a x8.75 in 150 days solitary, 138 days with Gohan(who is much weaker, and would actually slow him down for most if not all of that)

Here's my quick guess using the newly acquired information. Keep in mind this is with the assumption that alot of King Kai's training with Goku was focused on teaching him spirit bomb and Kaoken, I put it at 33% of his training was the teaching of these two techniques, and 66% being actual training + the effect's of learning the techniques under x10 gravity.


Tien(Battle with Saiyans) 1830
Tien(Training with King Kai completed) 5500% in a year with king kai, x1.5 for sparring partner(guess) 150,975
Training at x8.75 for 5 years(Destruction of Namek till arrival of Androids)
End of Year 1 1,321,031
End of Year 2 11,559,023
End of Year 3 101,141,455
End of Year 4 884,987,731
End of Year 5 7,743,642,654

Ok, so that gets a little ridiculous. The 5500% in a year with King Kai comes from 118 days x2(4000%) and add 33% because King Kai did not teach Kaoken or Spirit Bomb, but rather increased power level. I x1.5 for a sparring partner because he only could train with Yamcha for half the time. The x8.75 may be a bit much, but Piccolo did it with a much weaker Gohan, Tien could plausibly pull off a x3 with Chaotzu in my opinion.

Tien(Battle with Saiyans) 1830
Tien(Training with King Kai completed) 5500% in a year with king kai, x1.5 for sparring partner(guess) 150,975
Training at x3 for 5 years(Destruction of Namek till arrival of Androids)
End of Year 1 452,925
End of Year 2 1,358,775
End of Year 3 4,076,325
End of Year 4 12,228,975
End of Year 5 36,686,925

And one final one, removing the 33% of King Kai's training was teaching Kaoken and Spirit Bomb. This one assumes King Kai spent 118 days training Goku and then he instantly learned the techniques. I use this retarded one to get the a very low number, which there is no way Tien is this strength or weaker, just to show how stupid the idea of Tien=300,000 at Cell Saga idea is.

Tien(Battle with Saiyans) 1830
Tien(Training with King Kai completed) 4000% in a year with king kai, x1.3 for sparring partner(guess) 95,160
Training at x2 for 5 years(Destruction of Namek till arrival of Androids)
End of Year 1 190,320
End of Year 2 380,640
End of Year 3 761,280
End of Year 4 1,522,560
End of Year 5 3,045,120


See what I am getting at, even though these numbers are probably wrong, you should be able to see that Tien could theoretically reach 16 million in the allotted time. Or even if you refuse to believe that, there is no doubting that Tien at least breaks the Power Level One Million mark.

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