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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280
Goku's base form in GT is very powerful, almost equal to SSJ3 Goku in Z. Now having said that, to be honest, Vegeta has always been training, as seen in the lost episodes, before the Baby Saga, so I don't think he was too much behind Goku. In fact, when Vegeta was gonna fight Goku after the tournament, after Mr. Satan had beaten Majuub, thanks to Majin Buu, both Goku and Vegeta powered up to SSJ, which means that Goku knew his SSJ would be equal to, if not slightly more powerful then SSJ Vegeta. If Goku was more confident, as shown before hand, he would have just remained in his base form, which he didn't. So SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta aren't too far off in power as say Goten and Trunks when they fused, seeing as how Vegeta's PL was even with Goku's in order to fuse in the first place. Pretty simple actually.
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I know all of that, and it's one of the many reasons I hate GT. Vegeta was getting beaten by Goten and Trunks who were both weaker than base Goku. There is also the fact SSJ4 is their final form and probably the limits of their power, so that's why I believe they shouldn't be too far away as SSJ4. Anyways, as for the tournament, I don't know what Toei was thinking, it's not like Vegeta in GT was as strong as SSJ3 Goku in Z but whatever. I don't even want to argue over all that since it hardly make sense for Vegeta to go from weaker than Chibi Buu to as strong as SSJ4 Goku even if he never ascended to SSJ3. As for the fight in the tournament, Goku respects Vegeta, he won't go an beat him around in his base form, he knows it's insulting for Vegeta. It was like in the Buu saga, instead of going SSJ3, he fought Vegeta equally to show they were equal. Anyway, GT logic hardly make sense so I suppose any answer is right.
When Vegeta fought Goten and Trunks, I think he was having a run for his money, if I remember correctly, didn't Goten and Trunks also attacked base Goku who wasn't affraid of them at all. I think Goten even tried to get him from behind and Goku was like ''Goten, I never thaught you to attack from behind like an amateur''. There is also the fact Goku trained with Uub, but wait, how long did he train?? 10 years?? In the ROSAT?? 1min=6hours in the ROSAT.