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Originally Posted by Prince Vegeta
Let's see here well for one its quite obvious that Gohan was simply a SSJ in movie 10 (one has to be ignorant to deny this). Furthermore for Broly to have had the advantage he did over Gohan does not require him to be multiple times stronger, 1.3x is suffice. Secondly in movie 8, Goku and Gohan were NOT FPSSJ. How do I know exactly? Well the fact that Piccolo in that movie was arguably doing as good (if not better than Gohan). If Gohan was anywhere close to a FPSSJ there would be no way in hell for his and Piccolo's power to appear as close as it did. Furthermore Goku (while stronger than the rest) was approximately in the same league as Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan and Piccolo. He was stronger (but not nearly enough to indicate that he was a FPSSJ). Therefore its clear that none of the saiyans in that movie were stronger than "normal" SSJ's and while you may argue that Trunks appeared to be an USSJ, your argument would fall short primarily because we know that the movies do not follow a general consensus of power levels (based on the manga). The most proficient example of this is how in movie 13, SSJ3 Goku is FAR stronger than Mystic Gohan. In fact Mystic Gohan was perhaps closer to SSJ Goku if anything. This obviously shows that no matter what form the characters are in, it does not necesserily reflect their true power (as they would be in the manga) as the powers in the movies are quite a bit distorted. Thus even if Trunks was an USSJ in movie 8 (as an example) it would not necesserily mean that he would be as strong as his manga counterpart and in this case he's not because if he was, then there would be no possible way for Piccolo to be close to him in power. All in all you can look at it two ways: either Goku and Gohan were FPSSSJ's and Vegeta and Trunks were USSJ, despite being in the same league as Piccolo OR that the respective saiyans were merely normal SSJ's. Either way, their powerlevels would be nowhere near the manga counterparts of USSJ's and FPSSJ's.
And Brolythelssj, you just added to my point.
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To somebody who would merely accept his appearance as an SSj in Movie 10, to them he is only SSj. And that's what I used to think. But looking at the movies over and over again have opened my eyes to a different opinion. Just because he had no sparks doesn't directly mean he was MSSj. Movies 12 and 13 show Goku clearly as an SSj2, yet they do not add the sparks. And we can tell this by his hair. If Toei did it in Movies 12 and 13 there's really nothing saying they couldn't possibly have done the same in Movie 10, in fact, the opposite of that seems much more likely to me. Now I agree with you when you say Broly can only be determined to be 1.33x Gohan's power in the very least. But, that, in my opinion, would put Broly around SSj2 Kid Gohan.
While it's true that the Zet Senshi looked to be more on an equal footing of power, this is not the case. Broly defeated both Gohan and Vegeta in one attack, yet he apparently held back on Piccolo, Trunks, and Goku more. Is there any preferance to the extremety of his attacks? Very possibly so, taken this prospect into account. Yes, the Movies don't usually add certain factors of the storyline into the plot, but what's Trunks' transformation have to do with SSj3 Goku in Movie 13? I mean, just because they made Goku an uber-god in Movie 13, surpassing even the limits and power of Gohan and Gotenks not 2 years after Chibi Buu's defeat? Incredibly impossible. Plain and simply, the script writers of that movie just wanted Goku to come out on top, just like Movie 8. Either Super Dragon Fist multiplies your power A WHOLE LOT, or they messed up, or they're Goku lovers. Pick your choice. I think they're Goku lovers. My interpretation, as I've mentioned before, on Trunks' power and state in Movie 8 is based on observation. I really don't see a reason why he couldn't have been at that level of power.